US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

People who will lie under oath will lie about anything including who's fault this mess is.

Jim

Well now that you state it that way, I guess we can't believe anyone any more East or West, can we?

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'm not saying that the TA is not an enforceable contract, it's just not the CBA. There are two entirely separate CBAs in force right now for the pilots. The TA is "part" of neither.

Once again you're welcome to your opinion but your opinion is wrong. The TA is a letter of agreement and as much a part of the CBA's as any other LOA. Keep clicking those heels together Dorothy but I doubt you'll end up where you want...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Well now that you state it that way, I guess we can't believe anyone any more East or West, can we?

Do you know for sure that any West person lied under oath?

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

Not that it is relevant here, but the plan never was to get it confirmed by a court. Since you seem fixated on it, check Section 9 of the FAA (especially the very beginning: "If the parties in their agreement have agreed that a judgment of the court shall be entered upon the award made . . . [then any party may apply to the court for an order confirming the award]."). Who was ALPA planning to file suit against to confirm the award when the process first started - itself? The plan was (and is) to use the list going forward in the merger process.

By the way, if the award had somehow been "confirmed" under the FAA, do you really think the East pilots would have accepted it because of that procedural detail, or do you think they would still have thought of ways to try to squirm out of their legal obligations?


I still am not understanding what this "a federal arbitration" is, and how it differs from other ("non-federal"?) arbitrations.

Can you provide an example of "federal" and "non-federal" arbitrations, and explain the difference(s) between them?


And that distinction is germane here, how exactly? Is arbitration over a CBA issue more or less enforceable than arbitrations over other issues? If so, how?

Would the GM / Champion and neighbor disputes be examples of "federal" or "non-federal" arbitration?

You hit the crux right there yourself. This was an internal ALPA process, and certainly not up to the "interstate commerce" standard anyway. That makes it a private arbitration outside the FAA.

Besides, smarter people than we will decide this whole thing in venues far more credible than this forum. You will NEVER see my point, nor I yours. If USAPA is willing to spend my dues money to defend MY point, then I am happy that I agree with them. If you want to, send some (or more) money to AOL to back up yours.

I really don;t care one whit WHAT you think, or HOW you think this will play out. My money is literally on USAPA, and there are enough real, experienced, licensed legal minds (and not just the ones USAPA is paying) out there that agree with that position.

You and I? We are simply blowing smoke. If you happen to be a licensed attorney, why not get yourself involved and do some pro bone for AOL. If you're not, put your money where your mouth is.

 

[No Land Green]

Doesn't "tentative" mean not fully worked out or complete?

 

[luvthe9]

Do they have phone books where you live?

Yes ,we have phone books out east but the fuuny thing is mine is unlisted, go figure. 🙁

 

[No Land Green]

Do you know for sure that any West person lied under oath?

Jim

I dunno? Do you?

You didn't state which side lied, you just said people lie under oath.

How many eggs did you want me to buy?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You hit the crux right there yourself. This was an internal ALPA process, and certainly not up to the "interstate commerce" standard anyway. That makes it a private arbitration outside the FAA.

Besides, smarter people than we will decide this whole thing in venues far more credible than this forum. You will NEVER see my point, nor I yours. If USAPA is willing to spend my dues money to defend MY point, then I am happy that I agree with them. If you want to, send some (or more) money to AOL to back up yours.

I really don;t care one whit WHAT you think, or HOW you think this will play out. My money is literally on USAPA, and there are enough real, experienced, licensed legal minds (and not just the ones USAPA is paying) out there that agree with that position.

You and I? We are simply blowing smoke. If you happen to be a licensed attorney, why not get yourself involved and do some pro bone for AOL. If you're not, put your money where your mouth is.

Actually what is funny, remember when HPfa sat here and told us all how WAKE was goin down, all the legal ends, we were all wrong, even after the breeger took less than a little time and dismissed I think it is absolutely hilarious nyc, our boy YOGI if you look at his posting time he aint very busy at makin a liviin as an attorney(law clerk maybe) doubt that too, just another axe grinder!MM!

 

[jetjok1]

Yes ,we have phone books out east but the fuuny thing is mine is unlisted, go figure. 🙁

Yeah, mine too! Hmmm

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Once again you're welcome to your opinion but your opinion is wrong. The TA is a letter of agreement and as much a part of the CBA's as any other LOA. Keep clicking those heels together Dorothy but I doubt you'll end up where you want...

Jim

Once again JIM your welcome to your opinion, but thats just my opinion, I think I will wait for a published opinion, then someone to publish an opinion on that opinion, all the time enjoying reading your opinion! Although you could say I'm totally wrong but that's my opinion and your wrong!BTW HAPPY HOLIDAY's! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Yeah, mine too! Hmmm

ADD me to the list! MM1

 

[Bear96]

That makes it a private arbitration outside the FAA.

Private arbitrations most certainly fall under the jurisdiction of the FAA. That's kind of the whole point of the statute.

Besides, smarter people than we will decide this whole thing in venues far more credible than this forum. You will NEVER see my point, nor I yours.

You are probably right on both of those counts.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Doesn't "tentative" mean not fully worked out or complete?

Generally speaking in everyday language, yes, but context could change that to a no. What is the context?

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/merger/signatures


Check out the names and the comments.

What happened to all of the ALPA supporters? All of those names with ALPA numbers proudly displayed.



Looks like your MEC listened to one of your pilots.

Thanks for the info., but somebody needs a math lesson. I see 734 and fodase said signed by the majority. Did you happen to read any of the names? Like the guy that had his name several times in a row? How about Mr F.U.? Yeah boy! There is it, the smoking gun!

 

[No Land Green]

Generally speaking in everyday language, yes, but context could change that to a no. What is the context?

Jim

That all depends on what the definition of "is" is.......... 😉