US Pilots Labor Discussion

[lynyrdskynyrd]

No named defendant in that Rico suit did either one of those things. Here is a quote straight from Judge Reidingers dismal with predjudice of the Rico suit:

"Once again, the Plaintiff does not allege
these acts to have been committed by any named Defendant, but only “by
the Defendants and their co-consirators.”

What usapa did was round up a bunch of guys that posted various things one a web board and a few who called the recorded hotline, and trashed their names and reputations, and put them through hell over nothing.

Individuals who had literally done nothing, were being sued by usapa with it's relatively unlimited stream of money(dues). We've all seen how expensive the court process alone is, let alone the hundreds of thousands of dollars a month damages usapa sought.

Usapa sold it as a defensive move, and blamed the named defendants for everything under the sun, but that is decidedly not what that Rico suit was all about.

Here's another quite from the Judge in his dismissal with predjudice:

"Upon reviewing the
Amended Complaint, the Court notes that there is a paucity of allegations
to support the Court’s assertion of jurisdiction over each of the Individual
Defendants. Further, the Court questions whether the actions alleged to
have been committed by these Defendants – the making of phone calls to
USAPA’s hotline and the posting of messages on AWAPPA’s Web Board –
would support a finding that “a substantial part of the events” giving rise to
the Plaintiff’s claims arose in this District."

 

[cleardirect]

The company and the CEO, Doug Parker, are stalling negotiations.

What are you and your fellow west pilots doing to support your pilot group in getting a contract?

You had better talk to Seham. He says in this video that the company does want a contract. But now you are blaming the company. Pick a position. Look at about 2:44.

According to usapa you don't need the west. usapa said that you don't need leverage to get a contract or DOH.

But usapa did say that they would sell your first born for DOH. Offering Parker a cost neutral contract. And you wonder why the west is not on board. Parker gave you just what you asked for. The Kirby a cost neutral contract.

Listen to the words of your union. That guy on the left is a straight out liar. Twice in the same video. First time about the cost neutral the second time about the west walking away from negotiations. It was the east that walked away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YY4JOeFvXU

 

[boeingplt]

usapa said that you don't need leverage to get a contract or DOH.

Offering Parker a cost neutral contract. And you wonder why the west is not on board. Parker gave you just what you asked for. The Kirby a cost neutral contract.

You're kidding right? The cost neutral reference was to the seniority list - a cost neutral solution to the seniority issue, and the leverage comment was about, yep, the seniority list - don't need leverage to get DOH in the context of negotiations. Now either you are deliberately taking things out of context, what a shocker that would be, or you have the attention span of an epileptic gnat

 

[nic4us]

You're kidding right? The cost neutral reference was to the seniority list - a cost neutral solution to the seniority issue, and the leverage comment was about, yep, the seniority list - don't need leverage to get DOH in the context of negotiations.

Prior to their election, at the famous and videotaped, "I like to talk alot because I bill by the hour" Seham east road show, Seham unequivicably states that if elected usapa could get DOH by offering a "cost neutral" contract.

An easy enticement for the east, because since they are paid less, that would mean they would get a small raise, plus DOH, while the West would pay for it with a paycut.

Quite an ironic promise to the "seniority is not for sale", but maybe we can buy it from the West with a "cost neutral contract" crowd.

 

[nic4us]

The flight attendants have not had much luck lately with your america west produced, does not have enough sense not to drive drunk, like his pilots do not have enough sense to fly the same, CEO Doug Parker.

Hey,

I am trying really hard not to answere flamebait like this because it upsets Pi Brat (and I must assume some lurkers) every time I do.

So this time I will let it slide, however I will offer this.

Do you know what Parker, the MIA pilots and usapa all have in common?

They all have to pay for their crimes.

 

[Barrister]

You're kidding right? The cost neutral reference was to the seniority list - a cost neutral solution to the seniority issue, and the leverage comment was about, yep, the seniority list - don't need leverage to get DOH in the context of negotiations. Now either you are deliberately taking things out of context, what a shocker that would be, or you have the attention span of an epileptic gnat

Please do not disparage epileptic knats on this board!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[cleardirect]

You're kidding right? The cost neutral reference was to the seniority list - a cost neutral solution to the seniority issue, and the leverage comment was about, yep, the seniority list - don't need leverage to get DOH in the context of negotiations. Now either you are deliberately taking things out of context, what a shocker that would be, or you have the attention span of an epileptic gnat

No need to take anything out of context. The entire video is right there. Seham said that usapa would offer a cost neutral contract. He was not talking about a section he was talking about the total cost of the contract.

Where is usapa's leverage?

Listen to your expensive lawyer.

Care to address the lies by the guy on the left?

 

[A320 Driver]

No need to take anything out of context. The entire video is right there. Seham said that usapa would offer a cost neutral contract. He was not talking about a section he was talking about the total cost of the contract.

Where is usapa's leverage?

Listen to your expensive lawyer.

Care to address the lies by the guy on the left?

I think you need to focus on here and now. It doesn't matter who said what when. Seham is a lawyer, a mouthpiece. He is NOT a negotiator for this pilot group. I think our wants are pretty clear at this point. More money (for everyone), more vacation (with some value to it) and an improvement to the reserve system are just a few. NO one I've talked to expects the West to finance improvements to the contract for the East. This seniority dispute has GOT to come to an end before we get a contract. It's obvious the company is using it to lower the overhead and will continue to do so for as long as they can.

Driver <_<

 

[prechilill]

This seniority dispute has GOT to come to an end before we get a contract. It's obvious the company is using it to lower the overhead and will continue to do so for as long as they can.

Driver <_<

When you decide you have had enough disputing maybe you will get off Loa 93. Until then, enjoy your bed (and your anti-union union)- the west will continue to watch your show.

"Circus animals- march!!!"

 

[AWA320]

Prior to their election, at the famous and videotaped, "I like to talk alot because I bill by the hour" Seham east road show, Seham unequivicably states that if elected usapa could get DOH by offering a "cost neutral" contract.

An easy enticement for the east, because since they are paid less, that would mean they would get a small raise, plus DOH, while the West would pay for it with a paycut.

Quite an ironic promise to the "seniority is not for sale", but maybe we can buy it from the West with a "cost neutral contract" crowd.

I thought you knew?? The rules that apply to the rest of the world dont apply to the east and usap. They can do what ever they want and the rest of us are just here to kiss their feet and do what they say 🙄

It is for this reason that when they lose the snapback arb I will rejoyce and when they lose DOH I will rejoyce.

AWA320

 

[AWA320]

When you decide you have had enough disputing maybe you will get off Loa 93. Until then, enjoy your bed (and your anti-union union)- the west will continue to watch your show.

"Circus animals- march!!!"

I dont think it can get much clearer than that!!

AWA320

 

[Bear96]

Tough concept to grasp? Judge rules, participants follow ruling.

I think it is tough for some to grasp.

I read somewhere on here that East pilots only follow rulings they like.

 

[A320 Driver]

When you decide you have had enough disputing maybe you will get off Loa 93. Until then, enjoy your bed (and your anti-union union)- the west will continue to watch your show.

"Circus animals- march!!!"

Maybe when you have to start paying your legal bills and run out of money, you will stop filing lawsuits, come to the table and help find a solution. YOU are just as bad as the USAPA hardliners.

Driver <_<

 

[AWA320]

And when you get an education (or a spell checker...it's FREE), maybe you can SPELL.

😛

Really thats all you got?? I type fast my child and dont really care that much about checking what I wrote. I think you get the point but then again I am talking to an east guy and everyone knows how the east never ever get the hints.

AWA320

 

[AWA320]

Maybe when you have to start paying your legal bills and run out of money, you will stop filing lawsuits, come to the table and help find a solution. YOU are just as bad as the USAPA hardliners.

Driver <_<

The solution came years ago in the form of a mutually agreed upon process. What you want is a do over or a second bite at the apple and that just aint gonna happen. Why you ask? Why should we is the better question? The general concensus out west is for as long are we are employed we will pay and file suit after suit after suit until the supreme court rules if necessary. What the east has done and continues to do has brought shame to this industy. Make a deal you honor it PERIOD!!! I dont like to see you folks earning less than we do however I am just as happy to watch the east stay at industry bottom and retire pilot after pilot under LOA 93 and the low rate PBGC.

AWA320