US Pilots Labor Discussion

[prechilill]

Maybe when you have to start paying your legal bills and run out of money, you will stop filing lawsuits, come to the table and help find a solution. YOU are just as bad as the USAPA hardliners.

Driver <_<

Legal bills paid, more coming in thanks to the insolence like yours. Here is a news flash, we already went to the table with you guys. It is astonishing how you imply we haven't gone to negotiations, mediation and even an arbitration, you act like it never happened and that the west is holding up the show because we refuse to compromise on the compromise. The self proclaimed "Moderates" like yourself are the ones holding up the show, dude. When you decide you have had enough of standing at the dead end maybe we can move forward. In the meantime, enjoy your bed and we will enjoy your circus show.

 

[LSS]

You know what A320?... They talk tough now... but if things don't go their way and they finally realize that it will be DOH with C&R or whatever else is designed to protect all pilots.. they will be back to the table fast... they could save us a whole lot of trouble and money... but I guess when the Supremes tell them to pound sand... and they lose their second DFR, they'll finally get it... or... considering some of the posts from them probably not!

Meanwhile... we'll enjoy our separate ops, LOA 93, attrition, and a hopeful win on the LOA 93 arbitration, however I can assure you of one thing for certain... no matter what happens, this pilot is in it for the long haul and until the courts decide this mess... I'm in... the good, the bad and the ugly!!

Merry Christmas!

 

[prechilill]

You know what A320?... They talk tough now... but if things don't go their way and they finally realize that it will be DOH with C&R or whatever else is designed to protect all pilots.. they will be back to the table fast... they could save us a whole lot of trouble and money... but I guess when the Supremes tell them to pound sand... and they lose their second DFR, they'll finally get it... or... considering some of the posts from them probably not!

Meanwhile... we'll enjoy our separate ops, LOA 93, attrition, and a hopeful win on the LOA 93 arbitration, however I can assure you of one thing for certain... no matter what happens, this pilot is in it for the long haul and until the courts decide this mess... I'm in... the good, the bad and the ugly!!

Merry Christmas!

News flash dude, one side does not determine what is fair for the other side. Quit ignoring the obvious- it is holding up this pilot group from moving forward.

 

[nic4us]

It is for this reason that when they lose the snapback arb I will rejoyce and when they lose DOH I will rejoyce.

AWA320

The way I see it, no matter what happens in the LOA93 arbitration, there is an upside for the West.

If usapa loses, the pressure is on for a better contract, that means a Nic inclusive contract if usapa wants to remain the bargaining agent.

If usapa wins the grievence, that means the east will in effect replace themselves. The company will decide that the duration language of the TA has been exceeded, for the same reason they lost this grievence. Then the east will get their parity, as they are put onto the West contract. Problem solved. East gets parity, company gets PBS, manageable pay scales, crappy scope language etc..West gets Nic.

Of course there is a third possibility. The arbitrator comes up with some sort of compromise like reinstates the annual 3% raise going forward, but based on the current payscales. That will lead to a continuation of the litigations on all fronts, because it will give usapa just enough support to keep the fight going.

 

[nic4us]

... but I guess when the Supremes tell them to pound sand... and they lose their second DFR, they'll finally get it... or... considering some of the posts from them probably not!

I would expect the SCOTUS to deny a hearing. Simply because there is still a chance of resolution through the company's DJ request in a lower court.

I highly doubt the SC will tell the West to pound sand on the premise that Seham is right and a union in the process of collective bargaining can renege on binding arbitration in order to appease the majority of its members by stealing from a minority class.

The West "gets it". "It" being, never trust the majority east pilot group, usapa, and Seham. What you fail to get, is the company, the court system, and the small community of arbitrators have learned the same lesson.

 

[luvthe9]

News flash dude, one side does not determine what is fair for the other side.

News flash again, it's called democracy, majority rules this is what we have in our country. The west needs to accept the DOH with C&R, you guys are costing everyone. What are you afraid of, your so confident you will win DFR 2. I think it would be a no brainer to accept DOH.

 

[cleardirect]

News flash again, it's called democracy, majority rules this is what we have in our country. The west needs to accept the DOH with C&R, you guys are costing everyone. What are you afraid of, your so confident you will win DFR 2. I think it would be a no brainer to accept DOH.

Accept the Nicolau and file your own suit. If you think DOH is a winner.

 

[LSS]

Accept the Nicolau and file your own suit. If you think DOH is a winner.

DUHHH... why in the hell would we accept the NIC... then file a lawsuit against ourselves for DFR... geez.

 

[prechilill]

Accept the Nicolau and file your own suit. If you think DOH is a winner.

Sure, the governor of Alabama thought the same thing about segregation. A majority vote doesnt legitimize discrimination, but Your prejudice against a minority group are duly noted.

 

[cleardirect]

DUHHH... why in the hell would we accept the NIC... then file a lawsuit against ourselves for DFR... geez... I don't know what is imparing your mental ability... but I sure as heck don't want any of it!

Same question. Why would the west accept DOH and file a DFR?

 

[luvthe9]

Your prejudice against a minority group are duly noted.

Were not at all prejudice we love you guys, really.

 

[mikey60]

Were not at all prejudice we love you guys, really.

luvthe9,

Excuse me and I respect your opinion like it came from above but may I say...... speak for yourself.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Of course there is a third possibility. The arbitrator comes up with some sort of compromise like reinstates the annual 3% raise going forward, but based on the current payscales.

From Kasher? I don't think so, but you're right in that something down the middle is technically a possibility. However, Kasher is the last arbitrator on Earth to do something like that.

 

[PullUp]

The way I see it, no matter what happens in the LOA93 arbitration, there is an upside for the West.

If usapa wins the grievence, that means the east will in effect replace themselves. The company will decide that the duration language of the TA has been exceeded, for the same reason they lost this grievence. Then the east will get their parity, as they are put onto the West contract. Problem solved. East gets parity, company gets PBS, manageable pay scales, crappy scope language etc..West gets Nic.

The only language in dispute as per the transition agreement is in the pay rates. It has been stipulated by USAPA that the rest of the agreement remains in status quo per the RLA. Only the pay rates had an expiration date attached to them - the rest of the agreement did not.
So the company cannot decide the 'duration language of the TA has been exceeded', because to do so would violate the RLA rules.
So, if USAPA wins the grievance, pay rates return to the underlying agreement, LOA 84, which well exceeds parity. Company gets a bigger payroll on the east, no PBS, no changes in any other language.....AND NO NIC.

Cheers.

Oh, and it's all retroactive to Jan. 1, 2010.

 

[Metroyet]

From Kasher? I don't think so, but you're right in that something down the middle is technically a possibility. However, Kasher is the last arbitrator on Earth to do something like that.

Ask Alaska Pilots what Kasher is capable of. If USAPA actually chose him, they deserve what they get.