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Oh are we back to US Air is to important to the economy to fail? Have you read an newspaper? The public is sick and tired of taxpayer bailouts. The industry is consolidating and removing capacity. US Air would be just about the right amount to make the industry healthy.

You think the the politicians in Georgia, IL, and Texas might oppose that move?

But you guys go ahead and kill it. All of you have second 6 figure jobs or are close to retirement with millions in the bank. You all have said this is a hobby job anyway. Right?
Yes we are back Dr. Gloom. I have read a newspaper. I am sure the Pennsylvania contingent and the President are going to let the jobs just fly away to Texas and create MORE unemployment when they can craft a package. They don't want to see Phila. turn into Vegas and Phoenix with job loss and more foreclosures. Anyway, this place is NOT going away. You can bank on that. Not the east side anyway. There is just too much $$$ being generated.
 
Why wait? Just do it today and save yourself the heartache and us the trouble of having to hear you whine about how we in the west should pay for you career with ours.

AWA320

No heartache... heartburn... or trouble here "homie"... and unless you're higher than about 700 -800 on the NIC list... you, "homie," have ZERO direct affect on me! I will only retire if this crappy place goes TU.

Like I said... and if it does... you "homie" will maybe get hired by another carrier... and guess where you'll be sitting on their list... #1 to be furloughed!... Damn... it would really suck to be you!...


The Nic = West's Wet Dream
 
No heartache... heartburn... or trouble here "homie"... and unless you're higher than about 700 -800 on the NIC list... you, "homie," have ZERO direct affect on me! I will only retire if this crappy place goes TU.

Like I said... and if it does... you "homie" will maybe get hired by another carrier... and guess where you'll be sitting on their list... #1 to be furloughed!... Damn... it would really suck to be you!...


The Nic = West's Wet Dream

Where you seem to lose it everytime homeboy is there is no shame in having to be furloughed it just is what it is. There is shame in the actions of you and the rest of the east by not honoring your agreements! It makes no difference to me where you are on the Nic list senior or jr. What makes a difference to me is if you plan on bringing continued shame on yourself and the profession or do you begin to redeem whats left of your integrity by keeping your word??

AWA320
 
The very reason why usapa will always fail at their DOH seniority theft scandal.

Put it in front of any jury, and ask the members of the jury, "hey, ever heard of using final and binding arbitration to reach a position that can then be ignored by one side of the arbitration if they so desire?
It will never go in front of a jury.
 
... Sorry "homeboy"... no shame here in fighting what I believe is a travesty... You say there is no shame in being furloughed... and on this I agree... What is shameful is 17 year, never furloughed pilots being placed below "AWA new hires"... that is shameful... You can whine all you want... label us all as having no integrity... call us any names that suit your fancy... And "keeping my word"?... the jackasses that selected our MC and ass***e attorney I didn't support... I didn't have a choice in who they selected... so don't preach to me about keeping "my word"... when I give "my word" it is golden... but this abortion I didn't support nor have any say in. And "homie" this is but one of countless reasons why ALPA was voted off the reservation!...
 
... Sorry "homeboy"... no shame here in fighting what I believe is a travesty... You say there is no shame in being furloughed... and on this I agree... What is shameful is 17 year, never furloughed pilots being placed below "AWA new hires"... that is shameful... You can whine all you want... label us all as having no integrity... call us any names that suit your fancy... And "keeping my word"?... the jackasses that selected our MC and ass***e attorney I didn't support... I didn't have a choice in who they selected... so don't preach to me about keeping "my word"... when I give "my word" it is golden... but this abortion I didn't support nor have any say in. And "homie" this is but one of countless reasons why ALPA was voted off the reservation!...

Naw you had a voice you chose and you voted did you not?? I call you what the rest of the world thinks of you as which is a SCAB!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airline_Pilots_Association

The USAPA was formed later in 2007, with the sole purpose of "scabbing", or "breaking" the union in place on both sides, ALPA. Its constitution lists "date-of-hire" as the primary methodology to be used for establishing or merging seniority lists,[5] which would greatly improve the standing of the East pilots, who outnumbered the West pilots by nearly 2:1.[6] This policy difference and a suggested general dissatisfaction with ALPA's representation of US Airways pilots over the years have been suggested as the main reasons for replacing ALPA with USAPA.[7]

The US Airways West pilots see the formation of USAPA as a clear attempt to circumvent or nullify the previously awarded binding arbitration results. US Airways West pilots have generally declined to join USAPA[citation needed] and do not believe the new union represents their best interests. They have formed another organization, the America West Airline Pilots Protective Alliance (AWAPPA), specifically to promote the preservation of the seniority arbitration results.[
8]

This is how you are viewed and how your career will end. I have addressed over and over about your non furloughed 17 yr pilot and how you expect him/her to go from jr reserve first officer on the day before the merger to senior line holding captain the day after the merger. The west is just supposed to pay that price because AAA was so screwed up and we need to give them our career expectation right?? Please! you know what you and the book already has your name in it!!

AWA320
 
... Sorry "homeboy"... no shame here in fighting what I believe is a travesty... You say there is no shame in being furloughed... and on this I agree... What is shameful is 17 year, never furloughed pilots being placed below "AWA new hires"... that is shameful... You can whine all you want... label us all as having no integrity... call us any names that suit your fancy... And "keeping my word"?... the jackasses that selected our MC and ass***e attorney I didn't support... I didn't have a choice in who they selected... so don't preach to me about keeping "my word"... when I give "my word" it is golden... but this abortion I didn't support nor have any say in. And "homie" this is but one of countless reasons why ALPA was voted off the reservation!...
It is called representation. I did not get to vote for or against the health care bill. I did not get to vote for or against going to war. So don't give us that BS about not getting to vote for your merger rep or lawyer or even the strategy. You did get to vote for your reps.

When you voted for usapa you chose to break your word because they told you they would get rid of the Nicolau.

Who will you blame when usapa is forced to implement the Nicolau? Will you have any responsibility for this?
 
Naw you had a voice you chose and you voted did you not?? I call you what the rest of the world thinks of you as which is a SCAB!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airline_Pilots_Association

The USAPA was formed later in 2007, with the sole purpose of "scabbing", or "breaking" the union in place on both sides, ALPA. Its constitution lists "date-of-hire" as the primary methodology to be used for establishing or merging seniority lists,[5] which would greatly improve the standing of the East pilots, who outnumbered the West pilots by nearly 2:1.[6] This policy difference and a suggested general dissatisfaction with ALPA's representation of US Airways pilots over the years have been suggested as the main reasons for replacing ALPA with USAPA.[7]

The US Airways West pilots see the formation of USAPA as a clear attempt to circumvent or nullify the previously awarded binding arbitration results. US Airways West pilots have generally declined to join USAPA[citation needed] and do not believe the new union represents their best interests. They have formed another organization, the America West Airline Pilots Protective Alliance (AWAPPA), specifically to promote the preservation of the seniority arbitration results.[
8]

This is how you are viewed and how your career will end. I have addressed over and over about your non furloughed 17 yr pilot and how you expect him/her to go from jr reserve first officer on the day before the merger to senior line holding captain the day after the merger. The west is just supposed to pay that price because AAA was so screwed up and we need to give them our career expectation right?? Please! you know what you and the book already has your name in it!!

AWA320
DOH...no restrictions...this would be the most correct way to merge...kiss
 
DOH...no restrictions...this would be the most correct way to merge...kiss

Sure would, you can have your 2005 DOH and all go below Odell if you like, we West pilots are just trying to make a resoanable compromise by adhearing to the arbitration results.
 
It will never go in front of a jury.

Absolutley fine by me, I am looking forward to a summary judgement.

Ever read that smoking gun letter to Bradford, even that lawyer (along with Freund,Wake, Bybee, Tashima and Graber) warned that any judge will consider the arbitration binding.
 
Wikipedia..? Really? :lol:

Oh absolutly! Look I know it hurts to be referred to by that name but you really brought it all on yourselves and you nedd to accept responsibility for your actions. Dont be angry because your dishonesty made the world wide web. Just embrace what you are and own up to or dont, name is in the book either way right next to the spirit scabs.

AWA320
 
Sure would, you can have your 2005 DOH and all go below Odell if you like, we West pilots are just trying to make a resoanable compromise by adhearing to the arbitration results.

I agree with you on that since they have stolen years already the 05 date for the east would be fair.

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