US Pilots Labor Discussion

[aquagreen73s]

Who is the only pilot in history to regain his medical after a bipolar diagnosis?

Ohh ohhh oohh I know! Pick me pick me!

 

[Metroyet]

Who is the only pilot in history to regain his medical after a bipolar diagnosis?

Michael Cleary. El Presidente de la USAPA.

Is some of this crazy sh*t starting to make sense now eastie kool aid quaffers?

 

[aquagreen73s]

Michael Cleary. El Presidente de la USAPA.

Hey I had my hand up first!

 

[Metroyet]

Hey I had my hand up first!

Sorry. But at this point, it's almost a rhetorical question. Kinda like, "whose the craziest, most narrcasisstic nut case to ever get a pilots license"

 

[GuntherA320]

You've got 15 EMB-190s plus the three ATA 757s that can go away tomorrow. Eliminate those jobs (likely in the even more severe second dip we're entering) and recalculate. You'll be at at least a third retiring from the right seat, and 100% on LOA93.

Enjoy LOA93 and the re-downgrades

I actually asked Robert Isom about the E190's at the last CLT crew news (not on camera). There are absolutely no plans to get rid of that aircraft in the near future (We still have options for 25 more). It has one of the best margins of any aircraft we operate. They will stay on the shuttle as long as we operate a shuttle (Robert Isom stated this during the crew news). If you have a supplemental manual you can look up the East A/C numbers. We currently have 203 aircraft not including the 15 E190's. That is 1 aircraft above the fleet minimum I believe. So don't count on the East downsizing anytime soon even in a double dip recession. If anything I would expect the company to ask for relief from USAPA for some of the low yield PHX flying. If the company asks to reduce the minimum fleet count (on both sides) to keep from filing bankruptcy, who will you sue then? The East has the attrition numbers to absorb a reduction. The West does not. In fact, we will be glad to give you a job on the bottom of the East seniority list if that happens so you don't have to be furloughed. 😀

 

[aquagreen73s]

I actually asked Robert Isom about the E190's at the last CLT crew news (not on camera). There are absolutely no plans to get rid of that aircraft in the near future (We still have options for 25 more).

I see you were born yesterday. US Airways has no history ever of trying to shrink to profitability. You're right. Continue on. LOA93 and upgrades for everyone out East! Nevermind the dollar crashing, triple digit oil and forecast to go higher, ISM that is imploding, ....you're right...no need to shrink because hey...Robert Isom said so!

http://www.ism.ws/ismreport/mfgrob.cfm

 

[GuntherA320]

I see you were born yesterday. US Airways has no history ever of trying to shrink to profitability. You're right. Continue on. LOA93 and upgrades for everyone out East! Nevermind the dollar crashing, triple digit oil and forecast to go higher, ISM that is imploding, ....you're right...no need to shrink because hey...Robert Isom said so!

http://www.ism.ws/ismreport/mfgrob.cfm

So now the sky is falling Aqua? If US Airways has to declare bankruptcy then it won't be because they pay their pilots and flight attendants too much. Why don't you let the economists worry about the economy and you worry about flying airplanes and making it through recurrent training. If things get that bad, it won't just be the 50,000 plus people of US Airways that have a problem....it will be the entire nation. The economy has a way of self correcting. I and my 3400 fellow East pilots aren't going to roll over and accept the Nicolau award just because you think we should because the US economy is failing.

For giggles, lets just say the company has to get rid of the 15 E190's. That is 137 pilots (Captains and F/O's on the latest July bid) The East has 67 new hires for just this year alone. How many West pilots are still on furlough??? The first year that age 65 kicks in (just over a year from now) the East has 145 mandatory retirements. The fact is the East has 1000 pilots retiring over the next 5 1/2 years. If we need to shrink because of the economy, then all of my fellow East pilots will still have a job. The same can't be said for the West pilots. I understand your desperation to get the Nicolau in place. But guess what....we are separate ops for the indefinite future. If US Airways has to shrink to profitability, it will be PHX on the chopping block.....not the East.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You've got 15 EMB-190s plus the three ATA 757s that can go away tomorrow.

The 757's are part of the min fleet. If the East is above min fleet by 1 or 2 planes, that many can go away but it would probably be 737's or older Buses. The E190's, not being part of min fleet, can in theory, go away any time.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

For giggles, lets just say the company has to get rid of the 15 E190's. That is 137 pilots (Captains and F/O's on the latest July bid)

You and GG shouldn't give up your day jobs. The E190 check airmen, equip managers, etc need to be added in since they wouldn't be needed IF the 190's were sold. Call it 150 pilots total for a nice round number. GG's numbers include those already on long-term medical (no vacancy when they convert to retired status). You all do love to throw numbers around without really knowing what you're talking about...

Jim

 

[GuntherA320]

You and GG shouldn't give up your day jobs. The E190 check airmen, equip managers, etc need to be added in since they wouldn't be needed IF the 190's were sold. Call it 150 pilots total for a nice round number. GG's numbers include those already on long-term medical (no vacancy when they convert to retired status). You all do love to throw numbers around without really knowing what you're talking about...

Jim

Jim.....if you knew half as much as you pretend to know you'd be dangerous. I know you think you used to be important and you can't stand being out of the loop. But hey.....you had a good run sucking on ALPA's teet.

So you think there are 13 check airmen and instructor pilots on the E190 for 15 airplanes???? Lets just pretend for a minute that there are and say 150 pilots. That is still fewer than 106 retirees that are not on medical and 67 new hires (173 total) is it not???? Why don't you stick to things you know about like flying the 737. Oh that's right....you haven't touched one of those in 5 years either.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You've got 15 EMB-190s plus the three ATA 757s that can go away tomorrow. Eliminate those jobs (likely in the even more severe second dip we're entering) and recalculate. You'll be at at least a third retiring from the right seat, and 100% on LOA93.

Enjoy LOA93 and the re-downgrades

BTW the 757's MIN FLEET numbers, also that little 30% EAST flying your doing would probably go back EAST, cost you know, plus where all the GROWTH and REVENUE are! MM,

 

[sumadarson]

Who is the only pilot in history to regain his medical after a bipolar diagnosis?

Was that not a west pilot?

Unscheduled Tucson landing, BM.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I don't expect our furloughed pilots to be put ahead of ANY CO pilots that had a job at the time of our merger. (Even with double the years.)

I also don't expect to be ahead of other 767 f/o's who have less LOS at CO than I have at UA.

I also don't expect my DOH to give me 757 Captain seniority next to a CO pilot of my same DOH.

It is what it is, and the rising tide of this merger is beneficial to us all, regardless of how the SLI works out. I'm OK with the final outcome, even if it goes to binding arbitration. But that's just me. IMO real men will bargain their best case, keep their representatives accountable and in control, and accept whatever outcome results from those efforts, regardless of whether or not I like it. We reap what we sow.

Typical united pilot...every other pilots are valued more than us. I think you need to go tell Wendy that. I'd like to hear that converstaion in front of 1,400 furloughed united pilots. Your voice and your vote mean nothing to us because you don't have a job.

Typical ALPA rehtoric.


Real MEN huh. Maybe thats why you have a WOMAN as the head of YOUR organization. She's more woman than any of your "pilots" are men put together.

Hows that JCBA going?? (not good from MY united sources).

Good luck.

 

[prechilill]

Typical united pilot...every other pilots are valued more than us. I think you need to go tell Wendy that. I'd like to hear that converstaion in front of 1,400 furloughed united pilots. Your voice and your vote mean nothing to us because you don't have a job.

Typical ALPA rehtoric.


Real MEN huh. Maybe thats why you have a WOMAN as the head of YOUR organization. She's more woman than any of your "pilots" are men put together.

Hows that JCBA going?? (not good from MY united sources).

Good luck.

Ahhh yes, now we got another piece to the angry fo puzzle put into place. EOA is a bitter furloughee thinking he deserves special treatment... I love baby boomers!!!

 

[CactusPilot1]

USAPA Legal Update



Legal Update On Identity Theft Investigation
As we explained in a previous update, a special legal petition was filed in Texas State Court for the purpose of requesting a court order directing Leonidas LLC founder Eric Ferguson to appear for a deposition related to the investigation into the disclosure of confidential, personal data of individual East pilots.

Yesterday, June 2, 2011, in Denton, Texas, Judge Margaret Barnes conducted an evidentiary hearing and listened to oral argument in order to determine whether to grant the request to take Mr. Ferguson's pre-suit deposition. The hearing lasted approximately an hour and a half. The only witness to appear and present testimony in the hearing was Captain Randy Mowrey. Captain Mowrey was on the witness stand for approximately 45 minutes, during which the history of and the investigation into the data disclosure was laid out in detail to Judge Barnes on direct examination, and a number of documentary exhibits were admitted into the record.

Mr. Ferguson did not appear for the hearing, but was represented by Andrew Jacob of Polsinelli Shughart -- the same attorney that conducted oral argument at the Ninth Circuit during the Addington litigation. Mr. Jacob's cross-examination of Captain Mowrey failed to refute any of the facts surrounding the data breach, which were clearly presented to the Court during Captain Mowrey's direct examination. To the contrary, the cross-examination actually elicited testimony from Captain Mowrey that reinforced the severity of the data breach and the need for the court-ordered pre-suit deposition.

At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge Barnes ruled immediately from the bench and ordered that a deposition of Mr. Ferguson be taken forthwith along with document production. This proceeding is not a lawsuit against Mr. Ferguson; rather it is a pre-suit deposition and its purpose is investigatory only. A deposition of Mr. Ferguson is to be completed by the end of next week.


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