US Pilots Labor Discussion

[goneflyin]

Fact is that ALPA is in serious danger. Watch closely with what happens with DAL/NW. The move to decertify is moving at a rapid pace.

Negative. The fact is that DPA has received just over 2000 cards (from a pilot group numbering over 12,000) over the last 18 months.

Maybe you consider that a serious threat. I don't.

 

[nevergiveup]

Sure! Just like when the Nicolau is clearly stated to be the only seniority list, you can ask USAPA for a refund......Ooops, sorry about that. It appears that Cleary & Co. have already emptied out the coffers. Better luck next time.

The money spent on defending our seniority rights to a legally binding process has been well spent. Three years without the DOH cram-down? PRICELESS.

Want that raise? Parker has told you time and time again that the raise comes with a new contract. Your AAA MEC PULLED out of a nearly COMPLETE contract negotiation. THREE YEARS LATER.....6 sections of 30 done.....wait for it.......USAPA is holding contract & picket events????!!!!!?????

Parker said just two weeks ago that the "Kirby Proposal" was still on the table. That means NB Captains SHOOT to $147 or so an hour, FULL pay for DH & MECH, up to a MONTH paid vacation, a better Short Term Disability (vs. Mondo Sick Bank), and other benefits. Imagine if we could get that additional 7-8% (or more?) on top of the Kirby that the company TESTIFIED to in the Addington trial. Cleary & Mowrey WALKED away from a VERY GENEROUS proposal during the UAL/LCC possible merge (DAL wages +?????). Water under the bridge & money out of your pocket.

You decide. Sit and "hope for change", or get involved: www.reformusapa.com. Go to the petitions section & read the three that are there. Even if you don't agree with the Nicolau, the other two are worthy of your support.

You are way too excited about this airline stuff.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Even a union has to operate within the law and can not artificially rewrite an arbitration award to benefit the majority at the expense of the miniority.

Again, you do not know what youre taking about.

 

[snapthis]

Again, you do not know what youre taking about.

The great EOA speaks. RAH, RAH USAPA, USAPA.

Put down the pom poms boy.

 

[snapthis]

Still need that ### whoopin', eh? It will catch up to you someday....always does for a smart ###.

Pick me. If you ever come across a 6'2", Catus t wearin, white boy introduce yourself. I'll have you shine my Justins.

 

[Code Name V]

Negative. The fact is that DPA has received just over 2000 cards (from a pilot group numbering over 12,000) over the last 18 months.

Maybe you consider that a serious threat. I don't.

The threat is that noone wants to be with ALPO. Every major airline realizes that they are self serving and only care about the one with the biggest dues allocation. They will continue to screw their own people as they cannot support one without ignoring the other and all have individual requirements that are not mutually inclusive.

NW does not have the numbers over Delta and majority rules (heard that before?). They will continue to do what they can to break away. In the meantime, ALPO continues to become a commuter union.

USAir will never go back to ALPO. If there was ever another card drive on this property, there would be many other players trying for our dues money.

It is also quite hard to get rid of an incumbent. You just don't have the horsepower.

V

 

[CactusPilot1]

Pick me. If you ever come across a 6'2", Catus t wearin, white boy introduce yourself. I'll have you shine my Justins.

I'd be careful, he might know some of NYC's friends who may want to meet you.

 

[Phoenix]

LOL, so which is the other accepted list? Clown

How many times do you have to be told to start your posts with "Hey Clown" or "Hey Jackass?" 🙄


The two parties that are required to bargain have not come to a mutual agreement. The 9th and SCOTUS are fully aware of that and went to great care to ensure everyone knows their is no injunction on the bargaining rights of one of the two bargaining parties (i.e. USAPA). If Silver decides to intervene and constrain the other of the two bargaining parties (i.e. the company) then that would necessarily be a constraint of the first, which the 9th and SCOTUS already chose not to do.

 

[East Hole]

Ok, what is the other accepted seniority list by lcc?

Doug accepted the Nick List, but that does not mean he can't accept another list.

 

[No Land Green]

Doug accepted the Nick List, but that does not mean he can't accept another list.

The above is true and Doug mentions what you state above during a Crew News video from last fall. The ENTIRE contract is negotiable and amendable.

 

[traderjake]

Again, you do not know what youre taking about.

Ditto.

 

[CallawayGolf]

How many times do you have to be told to start your posts with "Hey Clown" or "Hey Jackass?" 🙄


The two parties that are required to bargain have not come to a mutual agreement. The 9th and SCOTUS are fully aware of that and went to great care to ensure everyone knows their is no injunction on the bargaining rights of one of the two bargaining parties (i.e. USAPA). If Silver decides to intervene and constrain the other of the two bargaining parties (i.e. the company) then that would necessarily be a constraint of the first, which the 9th and SCOTUS already chose not to do.

LOL – I can’t decide if you are just pretending to be ignorant or if you really are that confused about the legal matters that have gone and are going through the courts to-date. I love this line:

The 9th and SCOTUS are fully aware of that and went to great care to ensure everyone knows their is no injunction on the bargaining rights of one of the two bargaining parties (i.e. USAPA).

The ninth and the SCOTUS didn’t go to great care to do anything of the sort. The ninth said a DFR cannot be ripe for adjudication until there is a ratified CBA. The SCOTUS simply didn’t take the case, which is what they do with the overwhelming majority of cases that flood their doorsteps every day. Great care, what a joke.

However, even if both higher courts did take great care, the Company’s DJ is an entirely different matter than the DFR relief sought by AOL. The company is in peril between two unacceptable threats of harm and their claim is ripe. Unquestionably so is how I read Silver’s comments on the MTD dismissal. Given the fact that the Company’s DJ is ripe for adjudication, she is compelled to hear arguments and to rule according to the law. The Company should expect relief to be granted from its Hobson’s choice predicament caused by USAPA’s disregard for the TA and the results of binding arbitration. What form of relief they will receive is not yet clear, but she will be expected to end the stalemate between USAPA and Management, which may also end the stalemate between the east and west pilots. The wheels of justice roll on at a snail’s pace and only time will tell what the outcome may or may not be. Therefore, don’t hang your hat on a case that wasn’t considered ripe and the merits were too thorny to delve into to interpret the outcome of the one that is ripe and will be judged on the merits.

 

[Barrister]

Even a union has to operate within the law and can not artificially rewrite an arbitration award to benefit the majority at the expense of the miniority.

Best I can tell...at the time of the NIC you had 16 years at U and 1300 people were placed senior to you from the west with
the next senior West guy hired 11 years after you were placed senior to you.
So you worked at U for 11 years before the guy just senior to you out West
was even hired. The vast MAJORITY of the 1300 are younger than you BY DECADES.

Sir, you deserve to ride right seat until you retire while those hired decades after you make 50-80 grand more than you.
per year.

Who knows you may get exactly what you want.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Phoenix]

... The ninth said a DFR cannot be ripe for adjudication until there is a ratified CBA. ....

The premise to the 9th's opinion was that the court could not fashion a remedy neither could they speculate if a union has breached its responsibilities to fairly represent all pilots of a union in the context of its bargaining rights/responsibilities, not while the bargaining process is still underway. Not until a CBA is ratified by the pilots can the court assess an alleged breach of DFR and when they can they will do so according to the terms of the SCOTUS DFR threshold.

The 9th removed the injunction that impeded bargaining between the two parties. Do you believe Judge Silver will reinstate it?

 

[fodase]

Doug accepted the Nick List, but that does not mean he can't accept another list.

Thank you east hole, you understand that usapa wishes to renegotiate a contract provision (the nic.) that was in place prior to usapas certification. Now for your second point, I'll ask your personal opinion: do you think that usapas doh list improve the east pilots position and lessens west pilots positions compared to the nic?