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Only someone that lives in your convoluted world could infer that I accused MM of anything of the sort.

It must be a slow night for United/Continental news, your pathological favorite. Show me what you've got kid.

Your reliance on your perceived lack of intelligence of those that read this forum, is convoluting your thoughts.
 
Ummm......who do I work for?

US Air rebranded in like '98, prior to the multiple bankruptcies and even Sumanderson getting hired!!! Plenty of furlough time had already gone around prior to '98 though, just ask some of them '90-91(?) US Air hires who were working at AWA with a grand total of like 3 years LOS at Airways when AWA aquired and took the Name.

You my friend, work for the "new" USAirways..a low cost carrier, highlighted by their stock symbol LCC.

YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY IN WHERE YOU FLY, OR WHO IS GOING TO BE SENIOR TO YOU FLYING THERE.


Do I have to talk to you like a third grader. This is in response to all of you who say.....we don't want your widebodies....we don't want to come East
you got nothing we want wah,,,,wah...wah....

My point is you may not have a choice....getting tired of having to explain it to you idiot!!!! Your airline has been reduced to one base and Parker will cut it first chance he gets.....AND YOU KNOW IT!!
All the egss in one basket....PHX......good luck........your lucky charm is the NIC.....you say you can wait.....
well so can we....LONG TIME

NICDOA
NPJB
 
Do I have to talk to you like a third grader. This is in response to all of you who say.....we don't want your widebodies....we don't want to come East
you got nothing we want wah,,,,wah...wah....

My point is you may not have a choice....getting tired of having to explain it to you idiot!!!! Your airline has been reduced to one base and Parker will cut it first chance he gets.....AND YOU KNOW IT!!
You must have a hard time with 3rd grade history because AWA was a single base airline for 20 years.

Spare me the comparison to PSA. This is not the mismanaged airline of the Colodny days where he stood by the cash register with his hand out and fed you boys anything you wanted and let costs soar thrrough the roof with no way to turn it around. Parker knows that the east's cost model can only survive on LOA93 and when that goes away so does all the east growth. The west has had to adapt to the new reality of planning for major east-coast disruptions. PHX was never closed for days because of weather. PHX never permitted it's employees to stack bags to the ceiling over Christmas rather than serve the customer.

No, the west now has to hedge it's bet that all the resources may be needed to pull the east's fat out of the fire. And that handicap may possibly result in PHX downsizing, not because PHX iis not a viable market, but because it may become the scapegoat of the east.

But remember that the east can't generate sufficient revenue to stand alone with out a west subsidy. 2 bankruptcies in a row confirm that. If you see downsizing in PHX it's a sign that the entire circus tent is coming down.
 
You must have a hard time with 3rd grade history because AWA was a single base airline for 20 years.

Spare me the comparison to PSA. This is not the mismanaged airline of the Colodny days where he stood by the cash register with his hand out and fed you boys anything you wanted and let costs soar thrrough the roof with no way to turn it around. Parker knows that the east's cost model can only survive on LOA93 and when that goes away so does all the east growth. The west has had to adapt to the new reality of planning for major east-coast disruptions. PHX was never closed for days because of weather. PHX never permitted it's employees to stack bags to the ceiling over Christmas rather than serve the customer.

No, the west now has to hedge it's bet that all the resources may be needed to pull the east's fat out of the fire. And that handicap may possibly result in PHX downsizing, not because PHX iis not a viable market, but because it may become the scapegoat of the east.

But remember that the east can't generate sufficient revenue to stand alone with out a west subsidy. 2 bankruptcies in a row confirm that. If you see downsizing in PHX it's a sign that the entire circus tent is coming down.

Oh my goodness....you are so wrong. On a lot of different levels. PHX is mostly a "pleasure" destination. Vacation what have you...Where as most of the "east" destinations combine business with pleasure. Or mostly business. Which is our bread and butter. The Northeast....huge business markets. NYC, BOS, BWI, PHL and EWR. Plus Florida and the Islands as well as South America and Mexico. And please don't forget our friends in Europe. Must I go on and on and on?

It's time you got on board and joined a very vital airline and stopped your belly aching.
 
Oh my goodness....you are so wrong. On a lot of different levels. PHX is mostly a "pleasure" destination. Vacation what have you

Sorry, wrong again. PHX is a hub for westernUS /Mexico/Central America operations, regardless of how many grainy black and white postcards you may have seen of folks lounging by the pool with a cactus in the background. AWA did a pretty good business connecting passengers coast to coast. That was until Doug opened a box from the Acme Anvil Co. of Crystal City, VA

On board? Ha! That's an attitude I'd rather toss Overboard! 😛
 
Where as most of the "east" destinations combine business with pleasure. , BWI, PHL and EWR. Plus Florida and the Islands as well as South America and Mexico. And please don't forget our friends in Europe. Must I go on and on and on?

It's time you got on board and joined a very vital airline and stopped your belly aching.
Which are all served by Southwest, United, Delta, American, and Jetblue.

Why should people fly USAirways when they can walk across the terminal and get better service on one of the other carriers?

Do they want to fly with pilots wearing yellow lanyards intentionally causing them to miss their connections?

A very vital airline? Are you serious?
 
Sorry, wrong again. PHX is a hub for westernUS /Mexico/Central America operations, regardless of how many grainy black and white postcards you may have seen of folks lounging by the pool with a cactus in the background. AWA did a pretty good business connecting passengers coast to coast. That was until Doug opened a box from the Acme Anvil Co. of Crystal City, VA
Doug opened a big box of lipstick for his america west assets back then.


You guys are running out of lipstick.
 
You must have a hard time with 3rd grade history because AWA was a single base airline for 20 years.

Spare me the comparison to PSA. This is not the mismanaged airline of the Colodny days where he stood by the cash register with his hand out and fed you boys anything you wanted and let costs soar thrrough the roof with no way to turn it around. Parker knows that the east's cost model can only survive on LOA93 and when that goes away so does all the east growth. The west has had to adapt to the new reality of planning for major east-coast disruptions. PHX was never closed for days because of weather. PHX never permitted it's employees to stack bags to the ceiling over Christmas rather than serve the customer.

No, the west now has to hedge it's bet that all the resources may be needed to pull the east's fat out of the fire. And that handicap may possibly result in PHX downsizing, not because PHX iis not a viable market, but because it may become the scapegoat of the east.

But remember that the east can't generate sufficient revenue to stand alone with out a west subsidy. 2 bankruptcies in a row confirm that. If you see downsizing in PHX it's a sign that the entire circus tent is coming down.
The tent already came down in Las. Then PHX. You are flying 24% of East flying now because you have no place out there to move your toys anymore in PHX. I really don't want to see PHX come down anymore, but it is pretty scary seeing how much power SWA has there, and they want it all. They usually get what they are after. The danger is exactly what you were told at WYE RIVER. You have kept the circus tend divided, and if they do fold the PHX tent a little tighter, well, all the risk lies with the west.................
 
The tent already came down in Las. Then PHX. You are flying 24% of East flying now because you have no place out there to move your toys anymore in PHX. I really don't want to see PHX come down anymore, but it is pretty scary seeing how much power SWA has there, and they want it all. They usually get what they are after. The danger is exactly what you were told at WYE RIVER. You have kept the circus tend divided, and if they do fold the PHX tent a little tighter, well, all the risk lies with the west.................
OK swanny, take out your pencil and takes some notes on the history of the airline you now work for, America West.

Do you know why LAS existed as a hub? Of course not. AWA made money with high utilization (we didn't shut down at 5PM on Saturdays like we do now) and thus we operated late night flights from LAS to the east coast with reduced fares. This worked for the passengers trying to maximize their time at the tables, and it worked for AWA positioning planes in east coast cities for the morning push. Now those east coast cities already have aircraft in position, so a LAS hub isn't necessary.

As for SWA, AWA has battled them in PHX with greater and lesser degrees of success for 28 years. How long did US last when they came to BWI, a week (sp?)?

Right now Parker has the luxury of allowing the east to play their game. When real money gets involved, I think the location of all the risk will become quite clear.
 
Luvn737


Now you have gone and hurt my feelings. I thought I was unique, heck even Doug Parker says I'm unique. In all seriousness, somebody else said it.......If you look at what happened after the PSA merger pilots will commute to fly the larger planes particularly if there is more money involved and that is the issue that bothers most east pilots regarding the nic. Right or wrong that is the issue and the reality of the situation.


Regards,


Bob


Actually, there are quite e few former PSA pilots who are now very senior, who would love to start commuting to PHX to fly the 75 instead of CLT and PHL. With the NIC this would result in the REQUIREMENT for West pilots to commute East. Careful what you wish for! Long commutes blow.

seajay
 
OK swanny, take out your pencil and takes some notes on the history of the airline you now work for, America West.

Do you know why LAS existed as a hub? Of course not. AWA made money with high utilization (we didn't shut down at 5PM on Saturdays like we do now) and thus we operated late night flights from LAS to the east coast with reduced fares. This worked for the passengers trying to maximize their time at the tables, and it worked for AWA positioning planes in east coast cities for the morning push. Now those east coast cities already have aircraft in position, so a LAS hub isn't necessary.

As for SWA, AWA has battled them in PHX with greater and lesser degrees of success for 28 years. How long did US last when they came to BWI, a week (sp?)?

Right now Parker has the luxury of allowing the east to play their game. When real money gets involved, I think the location of all the risk will become quite clear.
Luvn, I do get the place is run by AWA management. I am just perplexed as to why same management, that ran it all those years, then drew it down? That was not a USAirways management decision, that was your group. So why did they close shop? Beats me. I thought it was a mistake also. Las Vegas evolved into much more than what you say it is. It is not all gamblers waiting to the last minute to leave the tables. The population base grew exponentially. The place evolved into more of a place where families actually visited. The casinos reacted to that and changed to suit the leisure market. The bottom line is the airline is slowly being strangled by Southwest. Parker ran from them. Why have they not fled from LAS? Now they want PHX. You want the NIC. If they take PHX and Parker draws down, you are divided and have no place to go. Your choice. Despite the low pay and benefits, AWA did not prosper at all. It was on the doorstep of death numerous times due to crappy management. I don't fault your pilots for that, just Beauvais and Conway, Franke and the like.
 
OK swanny, take out your pencil and takes some notes on the history of the airline you now work for, America West.

Do you know why LAS existed as a hub? Of course not. AWA made money with high utilization (we didn't shut down at 5PM on Saturdays like we do now) and thus we operated late night flights from LAS to the east coast with reduced fares. This worked for the passengers trying to maximize their time at the tables, and it worked for AWA positioning planes in east coast cities for the morning push. Now those east coast cities already have aircraft in position, so a LAS hub isn't necessary.

As for SWA, AWA has battled them in PHX with greater and lesser degrees of success for 28 years. How long did US last when they came to BWI, a week (sp?)?

Right now Parker has the luxury of allowing the east to play their game. When real money gets involved, I think the location of all the risk will become quite clear.

The planes have been full and pushing early every flight. It has been a smooth operation in Phoenix. I don't know why the East is so worried about Westie flying. America West has competed with SW for years. We are still here and doing fine. 😉
 
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