US Pilots Labor Discussion

[SparrowHawk]

Glass is going to be present when his jewels get boiled in 40 weight motor oil. He is the dumbass who put the end date on it. Not anyone else, and I have to say ALPA did their due diligence in this one. He is going to be present and accounted for when he gets this one right in his face, and it is absolutely coming.

I could have lived my entire life without the visual the first sentence conjured up. Thanks

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I ask you one thing: how do they ignore Kasher? The fact they used the first date, 5/01/04 to take the first cash grab means the end date is valid too. You cannot use one and ignore the other. Kasher is too smart for them. I will wager you if we win, they WILL pay. One question, what does the date mean on the inspection sticker on your car? What does the date April 15 mean? You cannot selectively ignore dates on legal documents, especially when you already showed your intent and used the first parameter.

Heck if I know how exactly. But I have a feeling the east's evasive maneuvering thus far is going to be made to look like amateur hour. That's if you win in the first place. I'd be happy if you did win and collect, but I just can't see it.

 

[Black Swan]

IF LOA 93 is a win for the east:
1. We will watch as you battle with LCC on the meaning of "final & binding". You will say it is, and he will do EVERYTHING he can DELAY, DELAY, DELAY (Change the name of the company to AmericanWesternTrans-Tempe Airways has a nice little ring to it.. ).
2. IF you start getting the money, the America West Pilot group now becomes the lowest paid pilot group of the two. WHILE Parker is trying to duck the arbitration (sound familiar?), he will do EVERYTHING he can to plug the $$$ money leak that has developed from the LOA 93 loss.
a. He will take away as many east aircraft so as to get to minimum fleet and block hours.
b. He will transfer those aircraft to PHX.
c. He will furlough on the East and re-hire on the West (don't worry, we'll go by DOH...the date you start flying in PHX).
c. He may open a "East coast - West base" and run new operations through there (Please don't forget...we presently do ETOPS to Hawaii. We have operated B747's before, and we have done international operations during Desert Storm). I think Orlando was being discussed.
3. If this goes on LONG ENOUGH, the WEST will out number the the EAST and we could change the USAPA Constitution to read ANYTHING we want.....you know......democracy & majority rules...(sound familiar?).

Swanny, we are presently just ridding along. We have NO ONE that has ANY power in our "union", and the union leader is a train wreck waiting to happen. One last thing: Parker recently said in a crew news that he "goes to sleep soundly EVERY NIGHT" knowing which way the decision will go..". Is he clairvoyant? Did he read the "tea leaves" that day? Or is he just savvy enough to make an accurate guess based on the documents, case history & legal precedent?

Well friend, I have a close friend who has done this stuff for years,taught this stuff for 30 yrs plus, knows Nicolau, Kasher and the rest of them and if you think these people are going to buy off on the corporation changing their name or whatever to dodge this to whatever you said, you are going to get a very interesting education. You guys have been told over and over and over, about internal union issues versus a company and its obligation to bargain fairly with its closed agency shop. You just don't get it. It is going to be interesting when this deal comes home and you FINALLY see. You got a little glimpse of it with the 9th, but you conveniently ignore it. Whatever.Your choice. Until then, no hard feelings, and have a nice month.

 

[Black Swan]

IF LOA 93 is a win for the east:
1. We will watch as you battle with LCC on the meaning of "final & binding". You will say it is, and he will do EVERYTHING he can DELAY, DELAY, DELAY (Change the name of the company to AmericanWesternTrans-Tempe Airways has a nice little ring to it.. ).
2. IF you start getting the money, the America West Pilot group now becomes the lowest paid pilot group of the two. WHILE Parker is trying to duck the arbitration (sound familiar?), he will do EVERYTHING he can to plug the $$$ money leak that has developed from the LOA 93 loss.
a. He will take away as many east aircraft so as to get to minimum fleet and block hours.
b. He will transfer those aircraft to PHX.
c. He will furlough on the East and re-hire on the West (don't worry, we'll go by DOH...the date you start flying in PHX).
c. He may open a "East coast - West base" and run new operations through there (Please don't forget...we presently do ETOPS to Hawaii. We have operated B747's before, and we have done international operations during Desert Storm). I think Orlando was being discussed.
3. If this goes on LONG ENOUGH, the WEST will out number the the EAST and we could change the USAPA Constitution to read ANYTHING we want.....you know......democracy & majority rules...(sound familiar?).

Swanny, we are presently just ridding along. We have NO ONE that has ANY power in our "union", and the union leader is a train wreck waiting to happen. One last thing: Parker recently said in a crew news that he "goes to sleep soundly EVERY NIGHT" knowing which way the decision will go..". Is he clairvoyant? Did he read the "tea leaves" that day? Or is he just savvy enough to make an accurate guess based on the documents, case history & legal precedent?

I just keep thinking of Richard Nixon saying all the stuff he did. Up until the time the copter came to the South Lawn to take him to San Clemente.......................

 

[traderjake]

You better get on board. We are going to win this one.

If USAPA wins this one I'll say thank you for getting the pay raise but I'm not "on board" with a union formed to screw the West out of what they're legally and ethically entittled to.

 

[Black Swan]

If USAPA wins this one I'll say thank you for getting the pay raise but I'm not "on board" with a union formed to screw the West out of what they're legally and ethically entittled to.

That is not why I voted it in. The pension and LOA 93 was it for me. Put me on the stand, any day, any time.

 

[SparrowHawk]

If USAPA wins this one I'll say thank you for getting the pay raise but I'm not "on board" with a union formed to screw the West out of what they're legally and ethically entittled to.

Not to rain on a perfectly fine parade but Legal and Ethical are usually mutually exclusive

 

[traderjake]

That is not why I voted it in. The pension and LOA 93 was it for me.

I'll rephase.

I'm not "on board" with a union that's trying to screw the West out of what they're legally and ethically entittled to.

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA's Misrepresentations and Half Truths. Declaratory Judgment Edition

Update for June 27, 2011: USAPA's Misrepresentations and Half Truths. Declaratory Judgment Edition. What if USAPA told you only what you wanted to hear and one day you realized it had all been a monumental lie and that you had wasted years pursuing a fantasy that USAPA can't deliver, and never could?

In this Quick Fact, Unbiasedfacts discloses the question that USAPA doesn't want you to ask or comprehend: The USAPA assertion that US Airways is free to negotiate a contact that fails to include the Nic really means that USAPA believes management should appease the East pilots with a DOH contract and then pay the West pilots all the damages they are due for failing to implement the arbitrated list that management was told by the union they had to accept.

Unbiasedfacts recognizes the USAPA double-speak for what it is while respecting the manner in which Tempe is managing OUR airline while USAPA stumbles, staggers and points fingers while attempting to find a way out of the corner they painted themselves (and every one of us) into.

See Story

 

[Black Swan]

USAPA's Misrepresentations and Half Truths. Declaratory Judgment Edition

Update for June 27, 2011: USAPA's Misrepresentations and Half Truths. Declaratory Judgment Edition. What if USAPA told you only what you wanted to hear and one day you realized it had all been a monumental lie and that you had wasted years pursuing a fantasy that USAPA can't deliver, and never could?

In this Quick Fact, Unbiasedfacts discloses the question that USAPA doesn't want you to ask or comprehend: The USAPA assertion that US Airways is free to negotiate a contact that fails to include the Nic really means that USAPA believes management should appease the East pilots with a DOH contract and then pay the West pilots all the damages they are due for failing to implement the arbitrated list that management was told by the union they had to accept.

Unbiasedfacts recognizes the USAPA double-speak for what it is while respecting the manner in which Tempe is managing OUR airline while USAPA stumbles, staggers and points fingers while attempting to find a way out of the corner they painted themselves (and every one of us) into.

See Story

Oh, there is going to be some BIG delivery this July. Just hang around a bit. If I am wrong, I am going to be on the stick...............

 

[luvthe9]

USAPA's Misrepresentations and Half Truths. Declaratory Judgment Edition

Update for June 27, 2011: USAPA's Misrepresentations and Half Truths. Declaratory Judgment Edition. What if USAPA told you only what you wanted to hear and one day you realized it had all been a monumental lie and that you had wasted years pursuing a fantasy that USAPA can't deliver, and never could?

In this Quick Fact, Unbiasedfacts discloses the question that USAPA doesn't want you to ask or comprehend: The USAPA assertion that US Airways is free to negotiate a contact that fails to include the Nic really means that USAPA believes management should appease the East pilots with a DOH contract and then pay the West pilots all the damages they are due for failing to implement the arbitrated list that management was told by the union they had to accept.

Unbiasedfacts recognizes the USAPA double-speak for what it is while respecting the manner in which Tempe is managing OUR airline while USAPA stumbles, staggers and points fingers while attempting to find a way out of the corner they painted themselves (and every one of us) into.

See Story

read the 9th. Unbeliveable. This is the guy that must have pissed off Jetzz and started her on her crusade......

 

[3dtv]

So sad Chippy has lost his mind...

 

[luvthe9]

That is not why I voted it in. The pension and LOA 93 was it for me. The icing on the cake was the Nicolau, but not the deciding factor. Put me on the stand any day, any time.






Absolutely!

 

[SparrowHawk]

So sad Chippy has lost his mind...

Again not to rain on this perfectly fine dysfunctional parade but don't you first have to have a mind in order to be able to lose it?

 

[N924PS]

That is not why I voted it in. The pension and LOA 93 was it for me. Put me on the stand, any day, any time.

The individual that handed me the card to decertify ALPA specifically stated, "it's the only chance we have to overturn the Nicolau Award."

If the pension and LOA 93 "was it for you", why did it take you 3 more years to get rid of ALPA?