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Leonidas Update July 3, 2011

Since our last update there have been three filings before Judge Silver. First, West attorneys filed a motion to have the West pilots certified as a class (Docs 86 and 91). Second, USAPA responded to our motion for class certification (Doc 92). Finally, USAPA filed their response to US Airways’ Declaratory Action (Doc 88).

The reason for Class Certification of the West pilot group is identical to the reason for class certification in Addington: efficiency and certainty in the result. Rather than have numerous individual suits by West pilots, all claims will once again be bundled together. It is easy to see why all of the legal matters relating to this seniority dispute fit nicely within the framework of a class action – whether we’re talking about a union’s duty to fairly represent its constituents, or US Airways’ claim for declaratory relief. Dr. Jacob explained it this way in our Motion for Class Certification:

“Consider, for example, what would happen if two West pilots sued separately and obtained different outcomes—one outcome that US Airways is liable if it implements a Nicolau CBA and the other outcome that it is liable if it implements a Non-Nicolau CBA. With both such outcomes, US Airways cannot avoid liability. If it implements a Non-Nicolau CBA, the prevailing West pilot could hold it liable for doing so. If it refuses to do so, USAPA could hold it liable for refusing to bargain in good faith. Class certification solves this dilemma by binding all West Pilots to one outcome. In short, because there can only be one scheme of seniority integration, there can only be one outcome on the class members’ claims. To limit the class members’ claims to one outcome, there must be class action treatment pursuant to Rule 23B(1)(A).” (Doc. 91, pg 9).

The reasoning is very straight forward.

Doc. 92 is USAPA’s opposition to our Motion for Class Certification. Before we go any further, we are compelled to ask rhetorically why USAPA is opposing class certification for the West. Don’t they want this seniority dispute settled already? As Dr. Jacob argues in the above excerpt, without class certification this dispute cannot be cleanly resolved. Twice so far during the company’s Declaratory Action lawsuit, USAPA has filed motions which only delay the final resolution to the company’s action; the first was their motion to dismiss the company’s complaint and now they want to waste time and resources arguing over whether the named plaintiffs adequately represent the West pilots. It sounds like a déjà vu all over again from the Addington trial. USAPA failed to stop the West from being certified as a class in Addington, and we estimate USAPA’s odds of winning in their opposition to West class certification this time is around zero.

We encourage all pilots to read both motions and to compare. On a side note, Doc. 91 is the West Pilot's “Amended” Motion for Class Certification, and Doc. 86 was the original motion. One reason for the amendment is that, at the time of the original filing, we could not get a hold of Steve Wargocki. As soon as we did get a hold of Steve, his response was a resounding “yes” to be included in another class action. The amended motion also incorporated the recent Supreme Court ruling Wal-Mart Stores v. Dukes. In Dukes, the Court rejected class certification of a large number of female employees. Wal-Mart did not have a “uniform practice” among stores in promoting employees, and therefore the individual proofs within the proposed class would differ from store to store. Hence, class certification could not generate a common answer for all of the proposed class. Dr. Jacob contrasts the Dukes’ plaintiffs with our situation:

“Dukes does not impact certification here. The West Pilots challenge what would be a uniform practice—USAPA and US Airways negotiating and implementing a Non-Nicolau CBA (in the future). Whether this would be a breach of duties owed to West Pilots is susceptible to a single answer applicable to all West Pilots. The answer and proof for the class representatives would be the same as that for the class as a whole. The West Pilot Class, therefore, readily satisfies commonality.” Doc. 91, page 5.

The last thing we’ll say in this update regarding class certification of the West pilots is to call Seham out on his argument found on page 6, line 10 of Doc. 92:

“Furthermore, reliance on the former Addington trial litigation, including its class certification, is woefully misplaced.”

First off, Seham is not identifying where in Docs. 86 or 91 that Addington v. USAPA is being relied upon. The only mentioning of Addington we see is where the West attorneys are establishing their qualifications to serve as class counsel. Addington is but one of many class actions that West attorneys have handled, so naturally it is relevant for the purpose of establishing the adequacy of class counsel and it is cited only for that reason.

Second, Seham is either confused about the “typicality” prong of class certifications, or he is just outright trying to obfuscate the issue before the court. He argues that by virtue of the positions of the six West class representatives on the West seniority list, that these six do not adequately represent all West pilots sufficiently to establish that the representatives’ claims are typical for the entire class. He is essentially arguing that a prospective DFR claim arising from the uniform application of DOH is different for a line holding AWA F/O which is different from a line-holding AWA Capt which is different from a reserve captain who is different from a reserve F/O. His logic appears to be that since the six representatives do not cover the entire seniority list, class certification must fail. That is not the legal standard. The legal standard for class certification focuses on the class representatives having individual claims that mirror the claims throughout the class. In this seniority dispute every West pilot loses under DOH. The claims will be the same for all the members of the class. Hence, class certification is appropriate and necessary to adjudicate the company’s declaratory action.

Most perplexing is Seham’s statement on page 7 of Doc. 92:

“In truth, both pilot groups, combined or separate, are a complex mosaic of mixed interests and shifting factions, all with corresponding potential for political compromise, expedient or otherwise, just as any typical bargaining unit is.”

“Complex mosaic of mixed interests and shifting factions . . .”? Is he talking about The Real Housewives of New Jersey? He surely can’t be talking about East and West pilots as there is nothing complex about the effect of DOH: every West pilot loses with DOH and every East pilot gains with DOH. Hence, from top to bottom of the West seniority list, every pilot’s claim is legally the same as every other West pilot. USAPA gets it, but just flat out refuses to acknowledge this reality as it would doom their case outright. What we really take from USAPA’s response is that they are clueless when it comes to recognizing unintended consequences of their DOH pursuit. By now one would have thought that USAPA would have figured out that using a majority status to elect a new bargaining agent is not a license to run roughshod over the minority. It is mainly because of Mike and Randy’s discriminatory leadership that Leonidas has been able to meet the massive funding requirements to fuel the West legal effort - the Addington trial, the appeal, the defense against frivolous charges of identity theft – none of this would have been possible if it weren’t for the blind greed to take everything from the West; from the most senior captain all the way down to Dave O’Dell.

If USAPA is so sure of its position and so supremely confident of victory, then invariably it must be asked why USAPA repeatedly files motions which delay the efficient adjudication of this seniority dispute. After all, USAPA was founded on confident pronouncements that the Nicolau could be ignored with impunity, that the company would eagerly exchange DOH for a cost-neutral (read: concessionary) contract, and that USAPA would not need a “Plan B.” If all of that is true, then why is USAPA doing its utmost to sabotage the timely resolution of this seniority dispute? To listen to the USAPA founders, DOH was a done deal. After the Ninth Circuit found the Addington litigation to be not ripe, USAPA claimed total victory and promised (again) that a DOH contract would be realized in the near future. So, USAPA, why are you running? Admittedly, we know the answer . . . as do a growing number of pilots on the East: “it’s not what they say, it’s what they do.”

The final topic in today’s update is USAPA’s counterclaim against the company, embedded within their response to the company complaint (Doc 88). What USAPA is essentially doing is asking Judge Silver to grant the company’s third claim by shifting all future liability for negotiating a non-Nicolau list to USAPA. The company will have to respond to the counterclaim and we will link their response on Cactuspilot.com as soon as we see it. Although the West is not named, we of course will have to be involved in the counterclaim and therefore we will have an opportunity to intervene under the federal rules of procedure. It would have made a lot more sense for Seham to go ahead and name us as a party, but after three years of litigating against our own union, we are not surprised. We in the West are used to Cleary and Seham wishing as hard as they can that the West did not exist. Unfortunately for them, the West just will not go away. We keep making our presence known, and it is YOU bronze, silver, gold and titanium badge backers who are responsible.

Please enjoy this special holiday weekend as Americans everywhere celebrate our repudiation of tyranny. Enjoy the time with your family and friends (or coworkers if you are flying) and the special connection we West pilots have developed as a result of the last four years. While it is natural to lament not having a situation like DAL, ALK or SWA, it must be recognized that we do not have it all that bad either. We have experienced the worst, we have stuck together, and we are stronger because of it. The wheels of justice, albeit slow and sometimes frustrating, in the end will grind our way. All we have to do is to keep doing what we have been doing and we will ultimately realize the Nicolau as part of a long overdue contract.


Sincerely,

Leonidas LLC


Amazing! Jacobs and Leonidas have still not figured out what the 9th said. This is classic. They are continuing to re hash Addington. The Wake debacle, the Jacobs destruction, the Leonidas miscalculation. This is the BEST thing the east pilots could ever have coming. A massive GIFT. Thank you, thank you! Full speed ahead Leonidas. After all, the water is only an inch deep where you sail............
 
Leonidas Update July 3, 2011

All we have to do is to keep doing what we have been doing and we will ultimately realize the Nicolau as part of a long overdue contract.


Sincerely,

Leonidas LLC
So speaks the Rev. Jim Jones to his loyal followers. We all know how that went. The NIC will never be here, AOL has cost the west pilots bigtime. It's time to wake up to reality boys and girls. IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Just keep ignoring what the court has said.
 
"all we have to do is keep doing what we have been doing and we will ultimately realize" let me fill in the rest. What you are going to realize is Koontz and the founders have taken you in the biggest scam of the century. How is your outcome going to be magically different than the first? After all Wake got spanked, and is out of the picture. All you have is the spectre of the 9th waiting in the shadows to do what they already did.
 
The NIC will never be here,
So why did the company file their declaratory action . . .

Answer: thanks to USAPA eliminating the West as a separate bargaining entity, there will only be one seniority list ever, and that's the Nicolau my friend. Open wide . . .

AOL has cost the west pilots bigtime.
LOA93? :lol:

It's time to wake up to reality boys and girls. IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
Repeat it all you like, it IS going to happen. Iorio was right: all roads lead to the Nicolau.

So speaks the Rev. Jim Jones to his loyal followers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3-G7awYch0
 
Middle seat? Our contract calls for 1st class if available, then aisle or window. The nice agents were kind enough to hook me up with a big leather seat up front on my last scheduled deadhead. Mmmmmm...yummy chicken, haven't already eaten that 100 times for my crew meal (I am digging on the cheesecake though). Haven't been in a middle seat yet. Maybe you missed my comments about Karma in another thread.

Still, I really do not like deadheading, or reroutes. I would much prefer to just fly my trip uneventfully and go home.

I am not trying to catch up to you......we can just leave it at that.......

Now I know someone is REALLY streching the truth! In the last 4 1/2 years of flying, deadheading, commuting and vacations, I have yet to see an open first class seat. This is on both east and west metal. Aisles and windows are at a premium too.

If there ain't no open F/C seat, asile or window, you're sitting in steerage class, the center seat, last row between two linebackers and behind the crying baby.

I think someone is operating in an evil parallel universe. Sky still pink in your world?
 
Now I know someone is REALLY streching the truth! In the last 4 1/2 years of flying, deadheading, commuting and vacations, I have yet to see an open first class seat. This is on both east and west metal. Aisles and windows are at a premium too.
That's interesting. I've done a fair bit of D/H this year, some on flights that were 100% full, and I have yet to be stuck in the middle seat. Twice I've gotten first class. Go figure.
 
Amazing! Jacobs and Leonidas have still not figured out what the 9th said. This is classic. They are continuing to re hash Addington. The Wake debacle, the Jacobs destruction, the Leonidas miscalculation. This is the BEST thing the east pilots could ever have coming. A massive GIFT. Thank you, thank you! Full speed ahead Leonidas. After all, the water is only an inch deep where you sail............
Swanny;
We read it just fine. It's the Seham/USAPA spin machine that keeps leaving off VERY integral portions of the 9th's full decision. Theuer will whip up some empassioned response that will reek of desperation. Tick tock tick tock.
 
Amazing! Jacobs and Leonidas have still not figured out what the 9th said. This is classic.

Swan,

What the 9th said was very straightforward. Not ripe.

We all get it. It took the company about 2 seconds to figure out how screwed they are in this mess if they collude with usapa.

Lets see, anybody besides Siegel figured that one out. Oh,,yeah,,both Wake and Bybee. Even Graber and Tashima eluded to it in their decision.

The only lawyer who does not get it is Seeham. But then again, he has been wrong about everything to date. "We can get DOH by offering a cost neutral contract" What a putz.
 
The only lawyer who does not get it is Seeham. But then again, he has been wrong about everything to date. "We can get DOH by offering a cost neutral contract" What a putz.
Seham totally gets it, and he knew three years ago when the West stood together and filed suit that DOH was DOA. Everything was predicated on a blitzkrieg attack on the West. The West is perched firmly on the legal high ground. He's successfully milked USAPA for several millions and now he's on to SWA. The USAPA cow is running dry and it's nothing but a liability for him at this point. Hence you've got some obscure personal injury firm filing in the Southern Dist of NY. It's clear to anyone that Seham just wants out in order to distance himself as much as possible from the USAPA train wreck.
 
So speaks the Rev. Jim Jones to his loyal followers. We all know how that went. The NIC will never be here, AOL has cost the west pilots bigtime. It's time to wake up to reality boys and girls. IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Just keep ignoring what the court has said.

Who is "ignoring what the court has said"?

Make it ripe..lose "unquestionably ripe DFR".

Just because the company does not want to go down with usapa isn't really a reason to start a "Safety" campaign.

"AOL has cost the West pilots big time"? What a joke? usapa and the east has cost the West pilots big time, and damages started in August 2008. Oh, and retirement income is garnishable.
 
Swan,

What the 9th said was very straightforward. Not ripe.

We all get it. It took the company about 2 seconds to figure out how screwed they are in this mess if they collude with usapa.

Lets see, anybody besides Siegel figured that one out. Oh,,yeah,,both Wake and Bybee. Even Graber and Tashima eluded to it in their decision.

The only lawyer who does not get it is Seeham. But then again, he has been wrong about everything to date. "We can get DOH by offering a cost neutral contract" What a putz.


Fine, full speed ahead if that is what you believe they said. Choose to ignore what they said about the Nicolau, not being the only choice. This is the US and you have that right to believe what you want. I am fine, absolutely fine with the Leonidas direction.
It was interesting to watch Heat 15. It was basically a validation of what happened in the future. You got to elect your reps. Sorry you are not the majority. That is just reality. The part where the guy goes on ruminating and doubting that you guys would get fired for not paying dues was validated. You paid. It is the reality of a closed shop. I don't get why Aqua put that out. It was just a bunch of people not giving Theuer a chance to speak, and validated the fact you have to pay dues. Wake and Bybee? What about them? Especially Wake. His bias was noted, and he was spanked. The 9th will tee up Silver if she chooses to break new ground. There is no damage until a contract. There may never be damage, even without the Nicolau. Every other group went DOH. You are the outlier, yet you claim uniqueness and damage in that context of uniqueness. If nobody else was damaged, you certainly were not. Make your case. Have a great 4th.
By the way, read the company by line in their in flight magazine. They are on board with safety. Good for them. Time for you to acknowledge the company wide safety push. It is the right thing to do.
 
Now I know someone is REALLY streching the truth! In the last 4 1/2 years of flying, deadheading, commuting and vacations, I have yet to see an open first class seat. This is on both east and west metal. Aisles and windows are at a premium too.

If there ain't no open F/C seat, asile or window, you're sitting in steerage class, the center seat, last row between two linebackers and behind the crying baby.

I think someone is operating in an evil parallel universe. Sky still pink in your world?

So...you are basically calling me a liar?

Well ain't that special?

Makes my experiences all the more enjoyable, knowing you have paid the "steerage" price in your online travels.
 
Seham totally gets it, and he knew three years ago when the West stood together and filed suit that DOH was DOA. Everything was predicated on a blitzkrieg attack on the West. The West is perched firmly on the legal high ground. He's successfully milked USAPA for several millions and now he's on to SWA. The USAPA cow is running dry and it's nothing but a liability for him at this point. Hence you've got some obscure personal injury firm filing in the Southern Dist of NY. It's clear to anyone that Seham just wants out in order to distance himself as much as possible from the USAPA train wreck.

Maybe usapa can find another ambulance chaser to sue SSM&P for malpractice when he leaves them holding the DFR bag and a huge damages bill.
 
Fine, full speed ahead if that is what you believe they said. Choose to ignore what they said about the Nicolau, not being the only choice.
That's what you're conveniently ignoring: any non-Nicolau gets compared to the Nicolau to evaluate USAPA's DFR. DOH in a vaccuum is not unfair, but the problem for you is that DOH as compared to the Nicoalu was already found by one jury to be a DFR Wanna wager what the odds are that any future judge or jury will come to the same conclusion? Start with metaphysical certainty and back off a hair.

The Nicolau does not go away. USAPA eliminated any sort of consensual agreement when they eliminated the West as a separate entity. The company knows this which is why they constructed their declaratory action around Nicolau/non-Nicolau. Either it is, or it isn't. Your brain trust made this an all or nothing contest against not merely the West, but against the sanctity of arbitrations. Brilliant move. Not.
 
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