US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Check out this guy: http://www.stephenwolfram.com/about-sw/

PhD in Theoretical Physics at age 20 from Cal Tech. Published his first scientific paper at age 15!

I understand his burden! Ha! It's been fun, you guys have a good night.

 

[luvn737s]

Just curious. Have you been in COMMAND of an aircraft at AWA or US? Since you are questioning someone else's ability and all. Surely you wouldn't have done that if you yourself had not completed the training, all the way through left seat OE and sign off, of course.

How should I put this? I am somewhat deficient in SIC time.

 

[luvn737s]

Hey luvn. Since you are so smart, would you know how I can turn a west crew?

Turn a what? You mean a screw? Righty tighty left loosey as far as I know.

 

[aquagreen73s]

luvn, I'm glad you're a BoSox fan. I can tolerate them and I also can rest assured that you'll never change your avatar to the anti-christ logo:


NYY

 

[nic4us]

"usairways alpa and america west alpa, entered into an agreement " "RIGHT"
"USAPA, did not" "CORRECT"

Incorrect.

A tripartite agreement was entered into between the company, the east pilots (represented by ALPA) and the West pilots (represented by ALPA)

ALPA did not enter any agreements other than as the representative of and for the two distinct pilot groups.

usapa, by seeking election onto the property, did not enter into that agreement, but by winning the right to represent those two pilots groups, is bound by federal law to do just that, represent.

So get on with it usapa, represent the two groups who agreed to a final and binding arbitration process to resolve the internal union dispute. Can't do it can they? And why is that? Because they were formed and founded to renege on that arbitation and advance the interest of one of the groups they represent over another one of the groups they have the obligation to represent.

This was all explained to usapa in PHX prior to the election.

You will be sued and lose, because you are failing in you DFR.


Now, everyone seems to question my claim that damages started in 2008. What the heck do you people think the "pain" is in "pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR?" Do you all think that when usapa is held liable for a DFRII, that the "pain" is just going to be, usapa has to use the Nic, and sin no more? Hell no, there are 3 years and counting of extorted union dues for a complete lack of representation. There are out of seniority furloughs displacements for the intentional delay of a contract. usapa will get the "pain" in $$$$$ amounts, and it is not going to be cheap. "seniority is not for sale", what frickin losers!

Another thing. It was sooooo kind of Cleary to file the lawsuit against the company in NYC. What do you think the company is going to accuse usapa of doing? If the case does not just get dismissed as the norm with anything usapa legal comes up with, and the company actually goes after a verdict, usapa is done. Intentionally delaying contract negotiations and not negotiating in good faith to purposely force seperate ops is an even bigger DFR than simply not using the Nic as the "bargaining proposal" of the pilots they represent.

 

[traderjake]

As far as what he was saying, and I know you were here for it, the overwhelming amount of East pilots were polled by the MEC and asked to give ALPA merger policy a chance. They did, and they also told them they would only vote for DOH with conditions and restrictions.

I know, I flew with Marshall Rogers both before and after the "award" and he was told the negotiating committee would be given a chance to come up with a solution but it's up to the rank and file to decide. They decided. Its DOH with conditions and restrictions.

The majority of East pilots are seriously mentally challenged if they thought DOH had a chance under the ALPA merger policy.

The MC knew DOH was a losing strategy.

They decided, as they should have, but they were wrong and should man up and honor the terms of the agreement we made.

 

[end_of_alpa]

The majority of East pilots are seriously mentally challenged if they thought DOH had a chance under the ALPA merger policy.

The MC knew DOH was a losing strategy.

They decided, as they should have, but they were wrong and should man up and honor the terms of the agreement we made.

WE didn't decide. We didn't VOTE!

WE didn't make the agreement. ALPA did.

I didn't and I won't vote for it.

I think I have a lot more that join with me as to how the process works than you do.

Were in separate ops now. What's changed?

Nothing.

 

[mikey60]

Wow. That must be some tuition. My alma mater, Northwestern, is running $45k a year now . . . just about the exact amount East captains could have had four years ago before the East pulled out of negotiations, formed their own union, and reopened every damned section. I'm guessing Duke is about the same as NU for tuition.

But since your not a east captain why do you care? Im surprised you can spell Northwestern let alone go there. If you were stupid enough to go with awa you didnt go to Northwestern. Oh thats right most of the a$$holes at awa didnt go to college they were to busy running drugs.

 

[mikey60]

You're the moron that claims everyone is dumb, just pointing out where you stand around here. You have a maturity problem and if it wasn't for AWA bailing you out you would be selling tires at Walmart. Just remember that next time you see a west pilot...

Ill look for him next time im at the post office as for you honey, how about start'in dinner. If you dont do it now you'll heat up the trailor to much. Sure gets hot in the desert dont it?

 

[nevergiveup]

Incorrect.

A tripartite agreement was entered into between the company, the east pilots (represented by ALPA) and the West pilots (represented by ALPA)

ALPA did not enter any agreements other than as the representative of and for the two distinct pilot groups.

usapa, by seeking election onto the property, did not enter into that agreement, but by winning the right to represent those two pilots groups, is bound by federal law to do just that, represent.

So get on with it usapa, represent the two groups who agreed to a final and binding arbitration process to resolve the internal union dispute. Can't do it can they? And why is that? Because they were formed and founded to renege on that arbitation and advance the interest of one of the groups they represent over another one of the groups they have the obligation to represent.

This was all explained to usapa in PHX prior to the election.

You will be sued and lose, because you are failing in you DFR.


Now, everyone seems to question my claim that damages started in 2008. What the heck do you people think the "pain" is in "pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR?" Do you all think that when usapa is held liable for a DFRII, that the "pain" is just going to be, usapa has to use the Nic, and sin no more? Hell no, there are 3 years and counting of extorted union dues for a complete lack of representation. There are out of seniority furloughs displacements for the intentional delay of a contract. usapa will get the "pain" in $$$$$ amounts, and it is not going to be cheap. "seniority is not for sale", what frickin losers!

Another thing. It was sooooo kind of Cleary to file the lawsuit against the company in NYC. What do you think the company is going to accuse usapa of doing? If the case does not just get dismissed as the norm with anything usapa legal comes up with, and the company actually goes after a verdict, usapa is done. Intentionally delaying contract negotiations and not negotiating in good faith to purposely force seperate ops is an even bigger DFR than simply not using the Nic as the "bargaining proposal" of the pilots they represent.

Whats happens if USAPA is sued, but then is replaced by someone like the teamsters. Who pays the claim?

 

[mikey60]

OMG! A math major that learned to fly, then went to law school! And lives in SAN. Are you conflicted or what? What do you want to be when you grow up?

A pilot for awa, Is there more than one Northwestern or is it Northwestern Busness College of something?

 

[mikey60]

Win the lottery and be done with this $hi!t! How about you?

You thought you had that lottery ticket with nic but .........

 

[mikey60]

So which community college did you attend? Piedmont Valley?

Its just down the road from yours, On Your Back U. , Did you really flunk out of there? Typical for a girl awa pilot.

P.S. Save you answer Im leaving on a trip and wont be back for 3 days and I want to read your typical stupid answer.

 

[mikey60]

No need to try and flatter, your plate is full enough.

Speaking of full you were pointed out to me in phx and the uniform pants were WAY to tight, so, before we have anyone else pushing their plate away.....

 

[cleardirect]

Whats happens if USAPA is sued, but then is replaced by someone like the teamsters. Who pays the claim?

That is an easy question. That liability transfers to the teamsters. The new union takes any responsibilities and liabilities. Just like usapa an arbitrated decision does not just go away with the changing of a name. Damages does not just go away if you change bargaining agents.

So if anyone thinks that the teamsters are going to jump at the chance to represent US Air pilots without some serious thought they better think again. This usapa experiment is not going to get to do 3-4-5 years of damage and walk away. Some one is going to be held responsible.