US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Piedmont1984]

The East pilot termination process located in Section 29 of the CBA has 3 steps. First is a hearing with the Senior Director of Flight Ops, then a hearing with the VP of Flight Ops, and if necessary, an Arbitration with the System Board. Following the decision by the Senior Director a terminated pilot goes off of pay, loses his or her benefits, and becomes unemployed. If the VP of Flight Ops does not over turn the decision then the grievance goes to the System Board, which can take about 18 months to reach a decision. And, following 911 the federal government now requires any pilot seeking a new job to have his old employeer provide the potential new company obtain the pilots employment record for the past 5 years. Thus, these termianted pilots will have their termination letter and comment that they did not complete their required training on time, were in violation of the FOM, and were insubordinant.

I suspect US Airways will continue with the terminations and this is just the beginning. The 10 pilots who are reportedly terminated will likely joined with others because I understand the number could grow as US Airways prepares its response to the Status Quo lawsuit.

In my opinion, the terminated pilots may have an uphill battle to regain US Airways employment because they violated the FOM requirement to maintain currency and they may be accused of insubordination. In addition, I believe pilots who are wearing yellow lanyards are highlighting their support for USAPA's alleged slowdown and these pilots have placed a bulls-eye on their head.

USA320Pilot

Your comment on the lanyards is nonsensical and inflammatory. If no one was terminated for sporting USAPA=SCAB stickers, then others better not be terminated for a safety lanyard.

 

[cactusboy53]

Take your west UPDATE , YOUR itt TRASH TALK, AND YOUR BS and shove it, Does Cleary ask for direction, yes he does, so when he doesn't agree with your opinion he's not operating the will of the pilot group? You may not like it, your opinion, "SUBJECTIVE " at best, where are the cards? Didn't think so, all talk, where is the recall? all talk, you know I Voted on the pension investigation, When you come up with some facts, instead of childish mindless BS, let us know, other than that I suggest donate ALL YOUR MONEY, to your WWC's (west's worthless causes), grab the UNBIASED FACTS HOTLINE CODEAPHONE NUMBER, and that of the EAP for counseling personel, because boy you are going to need it! MM!

My, my, my....that is a post of an ANGRY & FRUSTRATED person. You just keep giving Cleary and his gang all that flight pay loss that I am sure they have earned. I just cut another check to Leonidas this morning (cheaper than therapy and makes me fell all warm inside)......it puts me in excess of $3300. I won't stop writing bi-monthly installments until a court of law (or Parker) schools you in the meaning of FINAL & BINDING, Sport.

Gotta go now. There's a little dust in the pool that I need to vacuum up. 😛

 

[mrbreeze]

I suspect US Airways will continue with the terminations and this is just the beginning. The 10 pilots who are reportedly terminated will likely joined with others because I understand the number could grow as US Airways prepares its response to the Status Quo lawsuit.

In my opinion, the terminated pilots may have an uphill battle to regain US Airways employment because they violated the FOM requirement to maintain currency and they may be accused of insubordination. In addition, I believe pilots who are wearing yellow lanyards are highlighting their support for USAPA's alleged slowdown and these pilots have placed a bulls-eye on their head.

And yet, CP Yarko is ignored even after lying to the pilots on the legality of ETOPS ops, telling them that the FAA was aware of how the flights were being operated, which is a bald face lie.

USA320Pilot, do you suppose he will have to do the same carpet dance as the pilots who are protesting the way we are being treated like siht?

We certainly work for a crooked operation....no integrity or ETHICS.

breeze

 

[Piedmont1984]

Gotta go now. There's a little dust in the pool that I need to vacuum up. 😛

That's not a pool, that's a mirage, it's a desert phenomenon 🙂

 

[tadjr]

I dont follow the pilots thread and cant keep up with who's pissed at who and who said what, but after the past couple of weeks and its affect on me having to deal with irates, can someone advise me what we're hoping to accomplish with the games, I mean the safety thingy? Who exactly are the yellow lanyards trying to make a point to, the Union or the Company? And what is the expected outcome from making this point? More money from the company, less money from the company because we're giving away revenue, a Union vote, another lawsuit, what? Thanks.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The East pilot termination process located in Section 29 of the CBA has 3 steps. First is a hearing with the Senior Director of Flight Ops, then a hearing with the VP of Flight Ops, and if necessary, an Arbitration with the System Board. Following the decision by the Senior Director a terminated pilot goes off of pay, loses his or her benefits, and becomes unemployed. If the VP of Flight Ops does not over turn the decision then the grievance goes to the System Board, which can take about 18 months to reach a decision. And, following 911 the federal government now requires any pilot seeking a new job to have his old employeer provide the potential new company obtain the pilots employment record for the past 5 years. Thus, these termianted pilots will have their termination letter and comment that they did not complete their required training on time, were in violation of the FOM, and were insubordinant.

I suspect US Airways will continue with the terminations and this is just the beginning. The 10 pilots who are reportedly terminated will likely joined with others because I understand the number could grow as US Airways prepares its response to the Status Quo lawsuit.

In my opinion, the terminated pilots may have an uphill battle to regain US Airways employment because they violated the FOM requirement to maintain currency and they may be accused of insubordination. In addition, I believe pilots who are wearing yellow lanyards are highlighting their support for USAPA's alleged slowdown and these pilots have placed a bulls-eye on their head.

Have you taxied to a gate in PHL lately, what did the sign at the gate say? Was your fight for re-employment an uphill battle? MM! Can you restate your opinion about our so called UNITED merger, hey moron go play soccer with your kids!

 

[aquagreen73s]

Company just filed this in Judge Silver's court:

PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that Plaintiff US Airways, Inc. (“US Airways”)
respectfully submits this statement in support of the Addington Defendants’ Amended
Motion for Class Certification, dated June 24, 2011 [Doc. No. 91].
For the reasons set out in its Complaint for Declaratory Relief, dated July
26, 2010 [Doc. No. 1], US Airways agrees that this Court should certify a defendant class
comprised of “[a]ll pilots employed by the airline US Airways in September 2008 who
were on the America West seniority list on September 20, 2005” (the “West Pilot Class”).
(See Addington v. US Airline Pilots Association, Case No. CV 08-1633-PHX-NVW,
Order dated March 10, 2009 [Doc. No. 248], at pp. 1-2.) In light of Defendant USAPA’s
Response in Opposition to the Addington Defendants’ Motion for Class Certification,
dated June 27, 2011 [Doc. No. 92], US Airways will shortly file a motion of its own
requesting certification of the West Pilot Class under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure
23( B.)(1) and 23( B.)(2).
Respectfully submitted:
Dated: July 7, 2011
O’Melveny & Myers LLP
By: /s/ Robert A. Siegel

 

[USA320Pilot]

In my opinion, those who wear yellow lanyards have identified them self as a pilot who supports USAPA's alleged illegal slowdown. The yellow lanyard in itself will not cause a termination, but if something else happens with US Airways' new Flight Operations group now evaluating pilot performance in a flight by flight basis...the lanyard could be a visible symbol that leads to discipline, up to and including termination.

As far as Yarko and USAPA's comments I don't have a lot of faith in this union's communications. USAPA's Communications Committee misleads the pilots, misrepresents the facts, and in some cases flat out lies.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I dont follow the pilots thread and cant keep up with who's pissed at who and who said what, but after the past couple of weeks and its affect on me having to deal with irates, can someone advise me what we're hoping to accomplish with the games, I mean the safety thingy? Who exactly are the yellow lanyards trying to make a point to, the Union or the Company? And what is the expected outcome from making this point? More money from the company, less money from the company because we're giving away revenue, a Union vote, another lawsuit, what? Thanks.

No disrespect tadjr, but this is a perfect example why the BPR should WAKE UP and install a USAPA pilot webboard YESTERDAY.

Like any externally worn adornment or paraphernalia or bling, it's meant to convey a sense of unity regarding the issue of safety.

 

[mrbreeze]

Can you restate your opinion about our so called UNITED merger, hey moron go play soccer with your kids!

I lost about $35,000 in my 401k, listening to his opinion. Along with moving to Colorado after my divorce, thinking it was a good idea. That was 11 yrs ago....still commuting to Philly. Thx, pal.

breeze

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

My, my, my....that is a post of an ANGRY & FRUSTRATED person. You just keep giving Cleary and his gang all that flight pay loss that I am sure they have earned. I just cut another check to Leonidas this morning (cheaper than therapy and makes me fell all warm inside)......it puts me in excess of $3300. I won't stop writing bi-monthly installments until a court of law (or Parker) schools you in the meaning of FINAL & BINDING, Sport.

Gotta go now. There's a little dust in the pool that I need to vacuum up. 😛

WEll good for you, just deposited 4K in my retirement account, make sure your union dues are paid up, HEARD THE TERMINATION birdie is flyin around! Maybe you should get direct deposit, you could end up with carpel or should we say ronnie

 

[mrbreeze]

As far as Yarko and USAPA's comments I don't have a lot of faith in this union's communications. USAPA's Communications Committee misleads the pilots, misrepresents the facts, and in some cases flat out lies.

Nice try to spin it a different way, but the facts have been stated outside of USAPA by the Captain involved with the situation. And this was after several flights that were illegally operated....this one particular Captain just happened to call his bluff.

Answer the question....will Yarko do the carpet dance?

breeze

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Company just filed this in Judge Silver's court:

PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that Plaintiff US Airways, Inc. (“US Airways”)
respectfully submits this statement in support of the Addington Defendants’ Amended
Motion for Class Certification, dated June 24, 2011 [Doc. No. 91].
For the reasons set out in its Complaint for Declaratory Relief, dated July
26, 2010 [Doc. No. 1], US Airways agrees that this Court should certify a defendant class
comprised of “[a]ll pilots employed by the airline US Airways in September 2008 who
were on the America West seniority list on September 20, 2005” (the “West Pilot Class”).
(See Addington v. US Airline Pilots Association, Case No. CV 08-1633-PHX-NVW,
Order dated March 10, 2009 [Doc. No. 248], at pp. 1-2.) In light of Defendant USAPA’s
Response in Opposition to the Addington Defendants’ Motion for Class Certification,
dated June 27, 2011 [Doc. No. 92], US Airways will shortly file a motion of its own
requesting certification of the West Pilot Class under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure
23( B.)(1) and 23( B.)(2).
Respectfully submitted:
Dated: July 7, 2011
O’Melveny & Myers LLP
By: /s/ Robert A. Siegel

Stevie Wonder can see this! MM! Go for it!

 

[USA320Pilot]

Furthermore, I understand US Airways' Flight Department has formed a group (I heard with the help of an outside firm hired to assist management) that is monitoring flight operations and they're documenting every late flight, every write up, crews not reporting for duty, pilots unable to commute, noting excessively slow taxi speeds, documenting pilots who harrass other pilots; along with filming crew room activity. It is my understanding that US Airways is building its case against USAPA in the Status Quo Lawsuit. Pilots who are participating in the illegal slowdown are placing them self at risk and I believe there will be additional pilot terminations forthcoming. Time will tell...

 

[nic4us]

Company just filed this in Judge Silver's court:

PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that Plaintiff US Airways, Inc. (“US Airways”)
respectfully submits this statement in support of the Addington Defendants’ Amended
Motion for Class Certification, dated June 24, 2011 [Doc. No. 91].
For the reasons set out in its Complaint for Declaratory Relief, dated July
26, 2010 [Doc. No. 1], US Airways agrees that this Court should certify a defendant class
comprised of “[a]ll pilots employed by the airline US Airways in September 2008 who
were on the America West seniority list on September 20, 2005” (the “West Pilot Class”).
(See Addington v. US Airline Pilots Association, Case No. CV 08-1633-PHX-NVW,
Order dated March 10, 2009 [Doc. No. 248], at pp. 1-2.) In light of Defendant USAPA’s
Response in Opposition to the Addington Defendants’ Motion for Class Certification,
dated June 27, 2011 [Doc. No. 92], US Airways will shortly file a motion of its own
requesting certification of the West Pilot Class under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure
23( B.)(1) and 23( B.)(2).
Respectfully submitted:
Dated: July 7, 2011
O’Melveny & Myers LLP
By: /s/ Robert A. Siegel

No surprise there.

If usapa were to get their way and the West were not given class status, the whole DJ would be pointless.