US Pilots Labor Discussion

[aquagreen73s]

No surprise there.

If usapa were to get their way and the West were not given class status, the whole DJ would be pointless.

Yes, meaning a judicial determination on the merits would be avoided - something USAPA desperately wants.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Furthermore, I understand US Airways' Flight Department has formed a group (I heard with the help of an outside firm hired to assist management) that is monitoring flight operations and they're documenting every late flight, every write up, crews not reporting for duty, pilots unable to commute, noting excessively slow taxi speeds, documenting pilots who harrass other pilots; along with filming crew room activity. It is my understanding that US Airways is building its case against USAPA in the Status Quo Lawsuit. Pilots who are participating in the illegal slowdown are placing them self at risk and I believe there will be additional pilot terminations forthcoming. Time will tell...

Is that group called , AWAPPA, and AOL?!

 

[Pi brat]

I lost about $35,000 in my 401k, listening to his opinion. Along with moving to Colorado after my divorce, thinking it was a good idea. That was 11 yrs ago....still commuting to Philly. Thx, pal.

breeze

Well breeze, if it makes you feel any better, you are not alone. When this guys was running his mouth about how great the UA/US merger would be I was thinking "I don't get it, maybe everyone is smarter than I am". I felt Wolf had dressed up the pig and hoodwinked Goodwin(sp?) into paying WAY to much for US, with little possibility that it would pass muster with the feds. I was a captain then, but got displaced to 767 F/O after 9/11 and was AMAZED at the captains that I flew with that listened to him. One borrowed a ton of money and put it into US stock, only to ride it down to zero. He might get something right every once in a while, but IMHO, it's the blind squirrel theory. Unfortunately, the blind squirrel might be right about this.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No surprise there.

If usapa were to get their way and the West were not given class status, the whole DJ would be pointless.

Well your right, when your sold to the lowest bidder and are a seperate class, go for it! MM!

 

[nic4us]

Well your right, when your sold to the lowest bidder and are a seperate class, go for it! MM!

MM...the "lowest bidder" gets the government contract....the highest bidder wins the auction.

 

[aquagreen73s]

One borrowed a ton of money and put it into US stock, only to ride it down to zero.

Ouch. Throw in the pension loss and an extended existence under LOA93 and now you're talking about real money. Moving to Colorado? Big deal. At least there's mountains. But doing what this guy did . . . holy cow.

 

[Pi brat]

In my opinion, those who wear yellow lanyards have identified them self as a pilot who supports USAPA's alleged illegal slowdown. The yellow lanyard in itself will not cause a termination, but if something else happens with US Airways' new Flight Operations group now evaluating pilot performance in a flight by flight basis...the lanyard could be a visible symbol that leads to discipline, up to and including termination.

Here's an idea C. Ban any item or lanyard except for company authorized products. How long have the lanyard/backer wars been going on? It would be a real shame for someone to lose their job over one, since the company has said not a word about them, that I have seen.

I've had a personal struggle with lanyards/backers. They seem like gang colors to me. The only thing I have worn is the USAPA backer, and I only wear that because I encourage guys to join USAPA, no matter what they feel. I agree with USAPA that we have a safety culture problem,(we are a safe airline, I just feel the margins are shrinking because the company is ignoring our input) but I don't want to drag that into a job action. I think that would be a mistake, as safety should always be job one, a given, and not subject to happiness with the company. I feel that many that wear the yellow lanyard feel the same way.

I recently flew with one of the hardest working, most professional F/Os ever. He wore a yellow lanyard. I don't know his reason, I didn't ask because he did his job as well, or better, than any pilot on our line. I'd hate to see him targeted just because of a ribbon around his neck.

The company has all the tools it needs to operate a good company. I think they are going down the wrong road. The decision to ignore the safety survey was one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

Rant off...........

 

[nic4us]

Yes, meaning a judicial determination on the merits would be avoided - something USAPA desperately wants.

I was thinking more along the lines of the third question regarding liability. Who would LCC have relief of liability from?

usapa, being the true men of genius they are, have asked that the company be relieved of liability from the West class, and at the same time asked that the court deny West class status?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

MM...the "lowest bidder" gets the government contract....the highest bidder wins the auction.

NICD, if you haven't noticed, the side in which you sit has, NO VALUE, to any merger partner, ! If good ole Silver rules your a seperate group, (music to our ears) Celebrate my friend! MM!

 

[Pi brat]

Ouch. Throw in the pension loss and an extended existence under LOA93 and now you're talking about real money. Moving to Colorado? Big deal. At least there's mountains. But doing what this guy did . . . holy cow.

Hence my frustration with so called "unbiased facts." Most guys wouldn't take this guys advice on where to eat lunch, but he may be right every once in a while.

If we could get together and share our experiences we would probably see each other in a different light.......................

 

[cactusboy53]

NICD, if you haven't noticed, the side in which you sit has, NO VALUE, to any merger partner, ! If good ole Silver rules your a seperate group, (music to our ears) Celebrate my friend! MM!

Had enough "value" to buy your arse out of the poor house....you're welcome. We'll be by soon to show you run the operation. Troll.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I was thinking more along the lines of the third question regarding liability. Who would LCC have relief of liability from?

usapa, being the true men of genius they are, have asked that the company be relieved of liability from the West class, and at the same time asked that the court deny West class status?

Well true "MAN OF GENIUS", that you are. Fiigure it out, We will give you an obvious clue, " FRAGMENTATION", "CONTRACT LANGUAGE", "DFR", "CORPORATE LIABILITY", Survey says, " HOW CAN WE SELL THIS COMPANY AND AVOID ALL THIS?" MM

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Had enough "value" to buy your arse out of the poor house....you're welcome. We'll be by soon to show you run the operation. Troll.

IN your WETDREAM , ronnie!

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

.... It is my understanding that US Airways is building its case against USAPA in the Status Quo Lawsuit.

My understanding is that there is a hearing in September regarding the status quo lawsuit that usapa filed. By 'building it's case against usapa' do you mean that the company will have whatever it is they are gathering ready to present in September? Or that the company is preparing a counter suit of it's own?

 

[USA320Pilot]

PI brat said: "The decision to ignore the safety survey was one of the stupidest things I have ever seen."

USA320Pilot comments: In my opinion, USAPA contracted a consultant to evaluate East pilot sentiment with USAPA pre-loading the questions to create a Safety Culture Survey result the union desired. The Survey was designed by the union to be used as a tactic to incite pilot anger for an illegal job action, which is costing US Airways a lot of money and jeopardizing the future of 32,000 employees.

USAPA's survey was not a scientific survey like Phil Comstock conducts for the Wilson Center, but the Survey's questions were created by USAPA and then the results were put together by a brand new rookie consultant. This consultant is losing her aviation job teaching pilots about CRM/Human Factors who are learning to fly single engine aircraft at the University of Illinois. I'm sure Dr. von Thaden is a great woman, but to compare her background to Paul Morell is absurd.

To see the facts regarding and examination of Dr. Von Thaden's experience please click here.

USAPA's Safety Culture approach is disingenuous, the union is misrepresenting the experience of their so-called safety expert, and the union's objective is to incite pilot anger to create an illegal job action because the union cannot obtain a DOH seniority integration or a new contract.

Meanwhile, I wonder how many USAPA zealots on FPL did not complete their Distance Learning training as required while leaving Line Pilots out to dry because a union official has an element of indemnity?

USAPA is out of control, the union is jeopardizing the business enterprise/32,000 jobs, there will be more pilot terminations forthcoming, and I believe the union is in for a shock/big bang when the company fully responds to the Status Quo Lawsuit/illegal slowdown. It's too bad because many good pilots are going to be badly hurt by USAPA's actions.