US Pilots Labor Discussion

[N924PS]

Pick your answer.

It's spilled milk.

It is what it is.

Unified or not, and according to your side, an illegal job action is just so. Or do you acknowledge that your considerable criticism of the east's "safety first" campaign is politically motivated?

I am dissappointed it got this far. Pilots on the chopping block while the union clammors yet again for the termination of Morrell. I will be shocked if they stay fired, but the disruption and distress to them and their's in the meantime will be severe. A year from now some of these pilots will still be fighting to get their jobs back - and P. Morrell will be right where he is today.

Great post there KV.

You get it. Obviously. USAPA leadership does not.

No resolution to SEC22 means no new contract. "I'm On Board" is the only leverage the pilots might have to move the company to negotiate. It only works if pilots from both "sides" are unified. That won't happen.

USAPA is leaving an electronic trail to be used against them. Anyone else receiving cryptic messages from 704-607-3313? This can and will be used against USAPA when the company pursues the illegal job action strategy.

We have a union that has run amok, and does not represent all its pilots fairly.

And Captain Morrell will still be right where he is today. You can take that to the bank.

 

[Pi brat]

PI brat said: "The decision to ignore the safety survey was one of the stupidest things I have ever seen."

USA320Pilot comments: In my opinion, USAPA contracted a consultant to evaluate East pilot sentiment with USAPA pre-loading the questions to create a Safety Culture Survey result the union desired. The Survey was designed by the union to be used as a tactic to incite pilot anger for an illegal job action, which is costing US Airways a lot of money and jeopardizing the future of 32,000 employees.

USAPA's survey was not a scientific survey like Phil Comstock conducts for the Wilson Center, but the Survey's questions were created by USAPA and then the results were put together by a brand new rookie consultant. This consultant is losing her aviation job teaching pilots about CRM/Human Factors who are learning to fly single engine aircraft at the University of Illinois. I'm sure Dr. von Thaden is a great woman, but to compare her background to Paul Morell is absurd.

To see the facts regarding and examination of Dr. Von Thaden's experience please click here.

USAPA's Safety Culture approach is disingenuous, the union is misrepresenting the experience of their so-called safety expert, and the union's objective is to incite pilot anger to create an illegal job action because the union cannot obtain a DOH seniority integration or a new contract.

Meanwhile, I wonder how many USAPA zealots on FPL did not complete their Distance Learning training as required while leaving Line Pilots out to dry because a union official has an element of indemnity?

USAPA is out of control, the union is jeopardizing the business enterprise/32,000 jobs, there will be more pilot terminations forthcoming, and I believe the union is in for a shock/big bang when the company fully responds to the Status Quo Lawsuit/illegal slowdown. It's too bad because many good pilots are going to be badly hurt by USAPA's actions.

Before I answer this, did you take the survey and did you read the results?

 

[mrbreeze]

PI brat said: "The decision to ignore the safety survey was one of the stupidest things I have ever seen."

USA320Pilot comments: In my opinion, USAPA contracted a consultant to evaluate East pilot sentiment with USAPA pre-loading the questions to create a Safety Culture Survey result the union desired. The Survey was designed by the union to be used as a tactic to incite pilot anger for an illegal job action, which is costing US Airways a lot of money and jeopardizing the future of 32,000 employees.

USAPA's survey was not a scientific survey like Phil Comstock conducts for the Wilson Center, but the Survey's questions were created by USAPA and then the results were put together by a brand new rookie consultant. This consultant is losing her aviation job teaching pilots about CRM/Human Factors who are learning to fly single engine aircraft at the University of Illinois. I'm sure Dr. von Thaden is a great woman, but to compare her background to Paul Morell is absurd.

To see the facts regarding and examination of Dr. Von Thaden's experience please click here.

USAPA's Safety Culture approach is disingenuous, the union is misrepresenting the experience of their so-called safety expert, and the union's objective is to incite pilot anger to create an illegal job action because the union cannot obtain a DOH seniority integration or a new contract.

Meanwhile, I wonder how many USAPA zealots on FPL did not complete their Distance Learning training as required while leaving Line Pilots out to dry because a union official has an element of indemnity?

USAPA is out of control, the union is jeopardizing the business enterprise/32,000 jobs, there will be more pilot terminations forthcoming, and I believe the union is in for a shock/big bang when the company fully responds to the Status Quo Lawsuit/illegal slowdown. It's too bad because many good pilots are going to be badly hurt by USAPA's actions.

And who has the ability to straighten out this whole big mess of a merger? Someone who could show some leadership and integrity......Doug Parker....yet his bank account calls him away.

breeze

 

[Pi brat]

And Captain Morrell will still be right where he is today. You can take that to the bank.

With all due respect, it's Mr. Morrell, not captain. He stopped being a captain and became a stooge for management a long time ago. Did you read his letter to USAPA about the safety survey? If not, you should. I carry a copy with me and I ever get called again( I did and I shared my thoughts with my CP and to his credit he listened to me), I will throw it out on the desk.

 

[Pi brat]

And who has the ability to straighten out this whole big mess of a merger? Someone who could show some leadership and integrity......Doug Parker....yet his bank account calls him away.

breeze

AMEN!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Great post there KV.

You get it. Obviously. USAPA leadership does not.

No resolution to SEC22 means no new contract. "I'm On Board" is the only leverage the pilots might have to move the company to negotiate. It only works if pilots from both "sides" are unified. That won't happen.

USAPA is leaving an electronic trail to be used against them. Anyone else receiving cryptic messages from 704-607-3313? This can and will be used against USAPA when the company pursues the illegal job action strategy.

We have a union that has run amok, and does not represent all its pilots fairly.

And Captain Morrell will still be right where he is today. You can take that to the bank.

Well it does represent it's pilots fairly, but we have a fairly number of pilots that disagree, 924, your opinion as mine, actually I got a cryptic message from 602-336 9777 This can be used against USAPA also, My money is not on you moron! BTW your buddy MORRELL will be gone in the next transaction, SOON!

 

[N924PS]

Well it does represent it's pilots fairly, but we have a fairly number of pilots that disagree, 924, your opinion as mine, actually I got a cryptic message from 602-336 9777 This can be used against USAPA also, My money is not on you moron! BTW your buddy MORRELL will be gone in the next transaction, SOON!

No, Master of Alliteration and Fractured Syntax, CAPTAIN Morrell will be here long after you're gone, living in high style.

And just like Mr. Parker and Mr. Kirby, will be laughing all the way to the bank. At my expense and yours.

 

[Pi brat]

CAPTAIN Morrell

What is he a Captain of? A desk? A pen? A computer? Does he actually fly an airplane anymore?

I got a kick out of his 10,000 hrs flight time. Wow!

 

[Pi brat]

My money is not on you moron!

I'm guessing this a reference to JS. I really don't understand why you won't accept that this guy is not JS. I've spent a considerable amount of time in a cockpit with JS, and I can't see him denying himself! B)

 

[Pi brat]

Before I answer this, did you take the survey and did you read the results?

Sigh.............I guess it was another caped marauder hit and run post.

 

[N924PS]

What is he a Captain of? A desk? A pen? A computer? Does he actually fly an airplane anymore?

I got a kick out of his 10,000 hrs flight time. Wow!

His ATP has a few type ratings, he served as a Check Airman on several fleet types, and did in fact fly the line. I would say he has earned the right to be referred to as Captain Morrell.

Not to mention his distinguished service as a US Naval Aviator.

 

[Pi brat]

His ATP has a few type ratings, he served as a Check Airman on several fleet types, and did in fact fly the line. I would say he has earned the right to be referred to as Captain Morrell.

Not to mention his distinguished service as a US Naval Aviator.

Well, after he took a dump on us, I disagree. That's all past tense.

 

[cleardirect]

Take your west UPDATE , YOUR itt TRASH TALK, AND YOUR BS and shove it, Does Cleary ask for direction, yes he does, so when he doesn't agree with your opinion he's not operating the will of the pilot group? You may not like it, your opinion, "SUBJECTIVE " at best, where are the cards? Didn't think so, all talk, where is the recall? all talk, you know I Voted on the pension investigation, When you come up with some facts, instead of childish mindless BS, let us know, other than that I suggest donate ALL YOUR MONEY, to your WWC's (west's worthless causes), grab the UNBIASED FACTS HOTLINE CODEAPHONE NUMBER, and that of the EAP for counseling personel, because boy you are going to need it! MM!

What seems top be the problem? Don't like facts and information is contrary to your fantasy? Really you believe Cleary is asking for direction? It is not my opinion he is following his own direction not that of the board.

Do try and keep up will you. You are the only one screaming about cards. The west is not working on a card drive the west is trying to REFORM usapa. The west is not trying to recall Cleary we are happy with him doing just what we need him to do. Making an ass of himself and handing us a tom of evidence for the next trial. So recall who cares leave him there.

Well you got to vote on something over 2 years ago. Well good for you. Hope that assessment made you happy. How is that going by the way? Full pension just around the corner is it?

But you are satisfied with the way Cleary is running the union so be it. This is what you guys have always wanted. Let's see how usapa protects the pilots when the company starts swinging the axe.

 

[cleardirect]

And yet, CP Yarko is ignored even after lying to the pilots on the legality of ETOPS ops, telling them that the FAA was aware of how the flights were being operated, which is a bald face lie.

USA320Pilot, do you suppose he will have to do the same carpet dance as the pilots who are protesting the way we are being treated like siht?

We certainly work for a crooked operation....no integrity or ETHICS.

breeze

Think you need to reread Cleary's rant to the FAA. Cleary demanded an answer to the FAA's investigation by a date certain. If the facts are that Yarko lied and it was illegal why would there need to be an investigation?

Could it be that Cleary and usapa have made conclusions without all of the information. That they once again jumped to an incorrect conclusion?

How is the RICO case?
Anyone in jail or even charged over the "ID theft"?
Has Morrell been fired yet?

 

[cleardirect]

Here's an idea C. Ban any item or lanyard except for company authorized products. How long have the lanyard/backer wars been going on? It would be a real shame for someone to lose their job over one, since the company has said not a word about them, that I have seen.

I've had a personal struggle with lanyards/backers. They seem like gang colors to me. The only thing I have worn is the USAPA backer, and I only wear that because I encourage guys to join USAPA, no matter what they feel. I agree with USAPA that we have a safety culture problem,(we are a safe airline, I just feel the margins are shrinking because the company is ignoring our input) but I don't want to drag that into a job action. I think that would be a mistake, as safety should always be job one, a given, and not subject to happiness with the company. I feel that many that wear the yellow lanyard feel the same way.

I recently flew with one of the hardest working, most professional F/Os ever. He wore a yellow lanyard. I don't know his reason, I didn't ask because he did his job as well, or better, than any pilot on our line. I'd hate to see him targeted just because of a ribbon around his neck.

The company has all the tools it needs to operate a good company. I think they are going down the wrong road. The decision to ignore the safety survey was one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

Rant off...........

The problem with the "safety culture survey". It was nothing but an opinion poll. The people that participated self selected for personal reasons. Mostly the usapa supporters that are angry at the company and generally everything around them. If this was a random sample of a significant size it may carry some credibility. Otherwise it really has no scientific basis. It is just the opinion of some angry pilots that want a better contract and usapa has used it to create leverage where they have none because of the seniority issue.