US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Yep...what he said!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Thoroughly explained.

Ironically, you guys are going to help me.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I gave my timeline at 12 mos.

The contracts will be a part of the merger deal just like that would have been with UAL. You don't have to have the contracts settled prior to this happening.

I understand what you're saying & it makes since, but don't you think easier said than done ? Glad I'll be retired Lord willing.

 

[Move2CLT]

I understand what you're saying & it makes since, but don't you think easier said than done ? Glad I'll be retired Lord willing.

Here ya go Harry. You'll be seeing more and more of these quotes in the near future. And Please explain to your fellow east posters that this will happen, a new contract is coming, and Nic will be used. It'll help the, start to make peace with the situation.
Understand too that there is nothing the current AA management can do to, short of some draconian cost sitting, to bring AA back into the black. The only way, in my opinion, to profitability for them is via a merger.

And Parker can pull it off.

Here ya go:


Analyst Hunter Keay of Wolfe Trahan, "The bottom line: if AMR attempts to impose work rule/cost changes that labor decides are draconian in nature, all labor has to do is take the pulse of LCC (US Airways) and gauge whether or not LCC has the desire to make a bid for AMR -- if the answer is yes, creditors might push to terminate exclusivity and open teh door for LCC to file its own plan of reorganization."

 

[signals]

As usual everything is a speculation until it becomes a reality. Til then, nobody knows the truth, other than your last merger is a fiasco for labor and a victory for management.

Now lets let the God of Knowledge strike me down 🙄

 

[Move2CLT]

As usual everything is a speculation until it becomes a reality. Til then, nobody knows the truth, other than your last merger is a fiasco for labor and a victory for management.

Now lets let the God of Knowledge strike me down 🙄

Not striking you down here, but merely asking a question:

Why do you find the need to post the obvious. There always that poster who needs to add that this is all speculation. Don't you think we all understand that? Did you post that for the sake of posting?

You're not being stuck down because, honestly, you have added anything to the discussion.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wow, lots of PMs on this.

First off, yes, I should just ignore signals but I'm trying to help the lad. If I can steer him in the right direction, he won't end up like SH down the road.

With the questions being asked, I'll bottom line the merger stuff:

This will be Parker's third merger "attempt" with one completion under his belt. This is the airline where he cut his chops and he still has many of his cubicle buddies working there. If you don't think they're feeding him stuff, you're naive.

He can't let this fail because there are zero options left to make a good-sized merger happen. AA really needs this in the short term and I think we need it for the long term. UAL and DAL are going to be tough on size alone. And Parker doesn't need another loss under his belt so he's going to go all in.

The creditors and industry money are behind him. He's proven himself with US and has the trust of Wall Street.

The unions are about to have their contracts abrogated and are looking for options. They think Parker is a better option than Horton who, basically, has been worthless in bankruptcy. Anyone see a plan yet other than stealing from the unions?

Like I said, AA labor is going to run this show and that's who Parker is going to impress. USAPA is completely irrelevant and won't have any say in this. We are in this for the ride - nothing more.

So with AA needing this merger, the creditors behind Parker, Wall Street willing to give Parker the money he needs (I've heard he already has it), labor trying to avoid 1113c and they hate Horton, and Parker in it partially for the hubris and the triumphant return to AA, I think you have all your ducks in a row for a merger.

You USAPA cheerleaders can yell as loudly as you want. Your union's days are swiftly coming to an end. You can bet your butts that Hummel didn't come out here to Tempe to sample the weather. Parker sat him down and talked merger with him.

And all without the approval of the BPR. 😱

 

[700UW]

I dont where you have been for the past seven years, but the US/HP merger is not complete.

The FAs and Pilots are not combined and neither is the fleet.

 

[signals]

Ok luv, your posts have gotten even dumber than they usually are so I'm gong to put you in time out until you redeem yourself with something intelligent.

It may take a while, but I'm willing to wait.

I'll answer your question if answer what makes you the almighty authority about nothing and everything? Condescending yourself to my level makes no headlines...ha-ha. But you think you're smarter than the average pilot, and have been dealt the task of being judge, jury and executioner.

Just saying, Capt. Obvious 🙄

 

[signals]

Not striking you down here, but merely asking a question:

Why do you find the need to post the obvious. There always that poster who needs to add that this is all speculation. Don't you think we all understand that? Did you post that for the sake of posting?

You're not being stuck down because, honestly, you have added anything to the discussion.

On second thought I'll summarize my answer...unlike you I don't follow every detail on these boards. If I'm repeating what others have said, maybe A. You need to look in the mirror. B. You need to get a real life. C. You need a vacation. D. You need to stay offline. E. You need to switch off the autopilot, and do what makes you a legend in your own mind 😛

And if you don't see the irony, you really do think you're god

 

[Move2CLT]

I dont where you have been for the past seven years, but the US/HP merger is not complete.

The FAs and Pilots are not combined and neither is the fleet.

Man that makes me laugh every time I read it.

The merger is complete as far as Parker and the rest of the industry is concerned. Just because two labor groups don't have a contract doesn't mean the merger any done. Look around - its done.

Mergers dont revolve around CBAs. You're not going to believe this, but we're just a small cog in this wheel of an airline. Parker has realized just under 95% of the synergies that was to come with this merger. The remain 5% or so is partially made up with the savings LOA93 provides.

So came back down to earth and quit thinking you're a big deal to Parker because you're not.

You're a cost center and nothing more.

 

[700UW]

The merger is not complete, the whole industry knows.

Look at DL/NW thats a complete merger, intermixed pmdl and pmnw crews and planes.

Can east and west pilots and FAs fly together?

NO.

Can the East Pilots and East FAs fly a West A/C and vice versa?

NO.

Therefore the merger is not complete.

If an East plane breaks can they swap it out with a West plane and vice versa?

NO.

Case closed, your wrong.

 

[signals]

...other than your last merger is a fiasco for labor and a victory for management.

Now lets let the God of Knowledge strike me down 🙄

😛h34r: Still not listening, dad???

 

[Move2CLT]

I'll answer your question if answer what makes you the almighty authority about nothing and everything? Condescending yourself to my level makes no headlines...ha-ha. But you think you're smarter than the average pilot, and have been dealt the task of being judge, jury and executioner.

Just saying, Capt. Obvious 🙄

Amazing how someone can type so much and say so little.

It sounds like you have an inferiority complex and a pretty acute oneat that.

I'm just an average west guy who has seen a ton of this union stuff. It's called life experience. Once you get out of HS, you'll understand. And 4000 +s means posters here like what I have to say.

P.S. How did you do on your science test?

 

[Move2CLT]

On second thought...:

Amazing.

It took you TWO posts to say even less.

Very impressive.

 

[Move2CLT]

😛h34r: Still not listening, dad???

Go study lad.

Did you get let out early for Good Friday?