What is more stupid is to cling to your wet dream that will end up being your new nightmare. You have chased your "win" so long, with no chance of getting it that you went right into a merge scenario with it still not attained. Nice move. You claim the AA merge is around the corner. Yet you still have no deal in a joint contract. Stupidest move ever. It will never happen now, kind of like your Davidson wet dream. The eastern group has an excellent chance of end running you now. The AA pilots absolutely want the older group to be the highest seniority, as they will soon leave. You have yet to figure that logic out. Too late, like your NC dream. Last I looked your U Haul was trashed in Kansas.
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What is more stupid is to cling to your wet dream that will end up being your new nightmare. You have chased your "win" so long, with no chance of getting it that you went right into a merge scenario with it still not attained. Nice move. You claim the AA merge is around the corner. Yet you still have no deal in a joint contract. Stupidest move ever. It will never happen now, kind of like your Davidson wet dream. The eastern group has an excellent chance of end running you now. The AA pilots absolutely want the older group to be the highest seniority, as they will soon leave. You have yet to figure that logic out. Too late, like your NC dream. Last I looked your U Haul was trashed in Kansas.
You were the one who was stupid enough to fly this piece of trash all those years , expecting Delta service.
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No. But just when you think he's hit bottom...
And then you have signals agreeing with him.
Pretty sad.
One for you and your Hawker "TIME IS NEVER WASTED WHEN YOU'RE WASTED ALL THE TIME......." Explains the multitude of stupid posts coming from the western front.
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Oh boy this is getting to be quite a mess, I think we we all miss these guys when they are gone. They are all very worried about the meeting that Hummel had with Parker amd Bates, my AMR friends know there is no value in the west operation even the west pukes no that, they wreak of desperation. I undertand we had a hard time just making an interest payment, let this place fold up!!!.
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OK so what's YOUR Excuse?
I'm not from the so called Western Front. I'm just here right now because I don't like you.
Hi scab.
You have proven yourself once again to be the epitome of scab culture and ignorance.
BTW, the end run of which you speak has an even more "excellent chance" of failing , because the scabs are not getting invited to the party.
Have a Happy Easter!
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PLEASE can we not call anyone a scab?? A scab to me is the labor equivalent to a child molester and I was once told, "The only thing worse than being a child molester is being accused of being one when you aren't"
It's way to strong an accusation without solid evidence. A**hole actually in this specific case is more appropriate IMO. These die hard guys on the East are in for a rude awakening if this deal gets done. I've avoided taking a side as best I could but IMO the East has lost for sure if the merger happens.
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Hopefully USAPA wins their legal fight for DOH. That way the legal precedent will be set that the majority of the pilots at an airline can make up any kind of seniority list they want. Then when we merge with American the APA will just say, "Well, we have the most pilots so we'll all be on the top and the rest of you will be on the bottom". It will be very simple, quick and painful. Upgrade, whats that?
USAPA - living in the past so it can destroy your future!
USAPA - its lost so many times, the odds are it will win the next one!
USAPA - we haven't fulfilled any of our promises. your welcome!
USAPA - lets sue that pickle ball association that stole our acronym! call the bpr! never mind, its such a great idea i'm just going to do it!
USAPA - living in the past so it can destroy your future!
USAPA - its lost so many times, the odds are it will win the next one!
USAPA - we haven't fulfilled any of our promises. your welcome!
USAPA - lets sue that pickle ball association that stole our acronym! call the bpr! never mind, its such a great idea i'm just going to do it!
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Yet America West is comprised bona fide of scabs.
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There are a few on BOTH Sides. IIRC the number at HP was under 20. US was even less. Not fair to paint either side with that brush.
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Only towards you people and your management.
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No there is not, only on the west side, google the master scab list no USAir pilots are on it.!!!
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TWA Lawsuit Mediation Update and NEW AirTran DFR Lawsuit Filed
In the ongoing TWA lawsuit where ALPA is has been found GUILTY of failing to represent the TWA Pilots in their merger with American, new information has been discovered that points to a very expensive outcome for ALPA and its members.
On March 26th, 2012, following a March 23rd teleconference with the presiding judge and all parties, ALPA's Motion for Judgement as a Matter of Law, Motion for a New Trial, and Motion to Decertify Plaintiff's Class were withdrawn without prejudice. If ALPA wishes to refile the Motions, they must do so on or before April 30th, 2012. A hearing for oral arguments for the re-filed motions has been set for May 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am.
CLICK HERE to read the order.
This new development indicates that mediation over the amount of damages ALPA will pay has come to an impasse as DPA predicted. Moving on to the next stages of the damage awarding process signals that ALPA could not or would not offer the TWA Pilots a satisfactory settlement in the mediation phase. That is not surprising since DPA reported that ALPA's total insurance coverage was likely $80 to $90 Million or less.
CLICK HERE to read the DPA assessment of ALPA's insurance capability.
Considering that the mediation has apparently failed, we now have a better understanding of the timeline ahead of us. When ALPA attorneys make their oral arguments (which are fairly routine, last-ditch efforts) on May 4th, it is very likely that the judge will deny the motions during that hearing and set the damage trial date before a jury around six months from that day. DPA expects the damage trial to be set sometime late this fall. At the damage trial, a jury will attempt to determine exactly how much harm each of the 2,337 TWA Pilots suffered. The $1.2 Billion in damages sought by the TWA Pilots will be modified by the jury to a greater or lesser degree as they see fit. An ALPA bankruptcy appears imminent now along with the probable assessment of its members to recapitalize operations.[/size]Delta Pilots must complete our certification vote PRIOR to the damage trial if we are to have any hope of avoiding paying dearly for ALPA National's ongoing mistakes.
IN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ALPA'S FAILURE TO REPRESENT ITS MEMBERS, a new lawsuit has been recently filed by a group of AirTran Pilots!
On February 21st, 2012, in the U.S. District Court, Northern District of Georgia, a lawsuit was officially filed claiming that AirTran Pilots were harmed by ALPA in their integration with Southwest Airlines. The group is seeking AT LEAST $200,000.00 per pilot. At 1,700 pilots, that is a total damage amount of $340 MILLION dollars! Once again, Delta Pilot dues dollars will be spent defending another lawsuit and perhaps even paying out another settlement or damage award.
CLICK HERE to read the lawsuit complaint.
CLICK HERE to read the Civil Cover Sheet.
Once again, it is clear that a national association that claims to be able to represent multiple pilot groups at the same time is quite unable to achieve that goal without wasting enormous amounts of dues dollars from member airlines who had nothing to do with the continuing failures. Delta Pilots should not have to pay for litigation, settlements or damages to other pilot groups. By departing this failed structure, we can dedicate 100% of our resources to Delta Pilot issues EXCLUSIVELY.
We need to act quickly to achieve our certification vote and leave this mess behind before it harms us any further. BYE BYE ALPO. http://www.delta-pilots.org/dpa-news/2012/3/31/twa-lawsuit-mediation-update-and-new-airtran-dfr-lawsuit-fil.html Sorry Chip. 😀 😀 😀
In the ongoing TWA lawsuit where ALPA is has been found GUILTY of failing to represent the TWA Pilots in their merger with American, new information has been discovered that points to a very expensive outcome for ALPA and its members.
On March 26th, 2012, following a March 23rd teleconference with the presiding judge and all parties, ALPA's Motion for Judgement as a Matter of Law, Motion for a New Trial, and Motion to Decertify Plaintiff's Class were withdrawn without prejudice. If ALPA wishes to refile the Motions, they must do so on or before April 30th, 2012. A hearing for oral arguments for the re-filed motions has been set for May 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am.
CLICK HERE to read the order.
This new development indicates that mediation over the amount of damages ALPA will pay has come to an impasse as DPA predicted. Moving on to the next stages of the damage awarding process signals that ALPA could not or would not offer the TWA Pilots a satisfactory settlement in the mediation phase. That is not surprising since DPA reported that ALPA's total insurance coverage was likely $80 to $90 Million or less.
CLICK HERE to read the DPA assessment of ALPA's insurance capability.
Considering that the mediation has apparently failed, we now have a better understanding of the timeline ahead of us. When ALPA attorneys make their oral arguments (which are fairly routine, last-ditch efforts) on May 4th, it is very likely that the judge will deny the motions during that hearing and set the damage trial date before a jury around six months from that day. DPA expects the damage trial to be set sometime late this fall. At the damage trial, a jury will attempt to determine exactly how much harm each of the 2,337 TWA Pilots suffered. The $1.2 Billion in damages sought by the TWA Pilots will be modified by the jury to a greater or lesser degree as they see fit. An ALPA bankruptcy appears imminent now along with the probable assessment of its members to recapitalize operations.[/size]Delta Pilots must complete our certification vote PRIOR to the damage trial if we are to have any hope of avoiding paying dearly for ALPA National's ongoing mistakes.
IN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ALPA'S FAILURE TO REPRESENT ITS MEMBERS, a new lawsuit has been recently filed by a group of AirTran Pilots!
On February 21st, 2012, in the U.S. District Court, Northern District of Georgia, a lawsuit was officially filed claiming that AirTran Pilots were harmed by ALPA in their integration with Southwest Airlines. The group is seeking AT LEAST $200,000.00 per pilot. At 1,700 pilots, that is a total damage amount of $340 MILLION dollars! Once again, Delta Pilot dues dollars will be spent defending another lawsuit and perhaps even paying out another settlement or damage award.
CLICK HERE to read the lawsuit complaint.
CLICK HERE to read the Civil Cover Sheet.
Once again, it is clear that a national association that claims to be able to represent multiple pilot groups at the same time is quite unable to achieve that goal without wasting enormous amounts of dues dollars from member airlines who had nothing to do with the continuing failures. Delta Pilots should not have to pay for litigation, settlements or damages to other pilot groups. By departing this failed structure, we can dedicate 100% of our resources to Delta Pilot issues EXCLUSIVELY.
We need to act quickly to achieve our certification vote and leave this mess behind before it harms us any further. BYE BYE ALPO. http://www.delta-pilots.org/dpa-news/2012/3/31/twa-lawsuit-mediation-update-and-new-airtran-dfr-lawsuit-fil.html Sorry Chip. 😀 😀 😀
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