US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fatherabraham]

That is where the game stops. Music goes in, and then any deal DCA can strike with the PHX to capitulate, and that is their intent, will go down in flames. Get ready for Music. He is one intelligent and tough pilot. There is no way he will deal with the western group and the Nic.

Claxon,

Yup, Music a No-brainer vote! The Chipster backs Weidner.........lol

Hey DCA folk..........dump Stein & Dugstad.........enuf already! Start a recall

Polls close thurs 19th at 1400 ET

FA

 

[USA320Pilot]

After 7 years the last remaining count in the MDA pilot's lawsuit against ALPA was dismissed by the court yesterday. The case was filed in 2005 and all of the original counts except one were dismissed in April 2008.

ALPA filed its Motion for Summary Judgment in June 2010 and the Oral Arguments were held on January 6, 2012.

The court's Opinion & Order granting ALPA's Summary Judgment.

 

[luvthe9]

Do it! I wouldn't expect anything less from the dysfunctional East.

BTW, Naugler was dismissed.

Dysfunctional? Just because we won't accept our junior guys getting hurt is hardly dysfunctional. Dysfunctional is clinging to a chance at a shot from midcourt when you are on your back, with .5 seconds remaining. That is where you stand with this deal with AA supposedly coming. Your choice. 😱 😱 New sheet of MUSIC coming. You are NOT going to like it 😀

 

[Beancounter]

After 7 years the last remaining count in the MDA pilot's lawsuit against ALPA was dismissed by the court yesterday. The case was filed in 2005 and all of the original counts except one were dismissed in April 2008.

ALPA filed its Motion for Summary Judgment in June 2010 and the Oral Arguments were held on January 6, 2012.

The court's Opinion & Order granting ALPA's Summary Judgment.

I'm not all that familiar with the MDA stuff. Wasn't one of ALPA's arguments that the case wasn't ripe yet, ala' 9th circuit ruling? Was that part of the judgment or was it just a flat out no?

Bean

 

[Res Judicata]

Naughler v. ALPA dismissed in total. Another East failure....I'm sure they don't even notice failing anymore. It's now part of their DNA. My favorite line in the final opinion:

"Finally, ALP A's submission ofthe factually accurate List to the Arbitration Board, prepared
in accordance with its merger policy, was not in bad faith. Each pilot was given the opportunity to
review his seniority information and appeal it both in writing and in person by having a hearing
before the Merger Committee. Plaintiffs have offered no evidence of fraud, deceit or dishonesty with
regard to any of the information contained in the List. !d., at 299. That ALP A did not label the
plaintiffs as furloughed in the status column on the Certified Seniority List was meant to help the
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plaintiffs' position during the arbitration process and ultimately did help, as plaintiffs were credited
with length of service time for their employment at MDA, even though everyone understood they
were on furlough.
In sum, based on the undisputed facts, by submitting the accurate List, the union's conduct
was not arbitrary, discriminatory, or in bad faith, and it did not breach its duty of fair representation.
Since the defendants' conduct did not breach their DFR the court need not analyze whether plaintiffs
can demonstrate "a causal connection between the union's wrongful conduct and their injuries."
Spellacy, 156 F.3d at 126."

MDA pilots were furloughees?!! No Sh*t.

 

[Beancounter]

Dysfunctional? Just because we won't accept our junior guys getting hurt is hardly dysfunctional. Dysfunctional is clinging to a chance at a shot from midcourt when you are on your back, with .5 seconds remaining. That is where you stand with this deal with AA supposedly coming. Your choice. 😱 😱 New sheet of MUSIC coming. You are NOT going to like it 😀

Are you implying Music is another anti-west pilot? Being anti-NIC and being anti-west pilot are two different things. If he's the later, then to quote a beer commercial, "Brilliant!" With an American merger possibly looming is it really a good idea to further alienate the west? You guys are already fighting among yourselves over there. Divide and conquer is meant for your opponent , not yourself.

Bean

 

[Ames]

Are you implying Music is another anti-west pilot? Being anti-NIC and being anti-west pilot are two different things. If he's the later, then to quote a beer commercial, "Brilliant!" With an American merger possibly looming is it really a good idea to further alienate the west? You guys are already fighting among yourselves over there. Divide and conquer is meant for your opponent , not yourself.

Bean

Bean, after the overturn of the appeals board election these fools could not alienate us any further. They are ALL anti west and the sooner you realize that the better. It is, has been, and always will be a war between east and west.

 

[nic4us]

Ok, a 163lb POS. You sure about that living daylight threat? Once again, a big mouth behind the computer. Good job with the 401k. I have about 3/4 what you have however, I am a bit younger. I already have the left seat Spanky. I wont even go into the history of who bought who. It already has been proven but idiots like you are blinded by the lottery syndrome. We also know who the scabs of the industry are just keep clicking your heals together and maybe someone will listen. No dog! Oh my, your poor wife. I will look for you in the terminal. You will be easy to spot. The angry F/O stomping his feet and pissing down his leg . Later Westoff Scab. 🙂

Well that was entertaining.

Please do look for me in the teminal...

I will be the West captain that is senior to you who treats you very pleasantly knowing for the rest of my career you will remain junior to me.

 

[fatherabraham]

All,

Anyone else see the similarities in John Hales memo below to AA mgt to the main issue with Nic?

Just as below, in 2005 AAA pilots considered it unthinkable to envision any other pilot aside from an East aviator gaining the East ATTRITION finally coming due after a very long wait.

"I know that pilots are enthusiastic about the prospect of growth inherent in our airplane deal, and that our orders for 460 narrowbody jets, up to 100 787s and 16 777s will finally give them the career opportunities they have not seen for years. In fact, after the decade of hardship they and others at our company have experienced, it would be unthinkable to envision any other pilot aside from an American Airlines aviator flying these new aircraft. That's my personal view but I believe many of my colleagues share it."

FA

 

[nic4us]

Are you implying Music is another anti-west pilot? Being anti-NIC and being anti-west pilot are two different things. If he's the later, then to quote a beer commercial, "Brilliant!" With an American merger possibly looming is it really a good idea to further alienate the west? You guys are already fighting among yourselves over there. Divide and conquer is meant for your opponent , not yourself.

Bean

Music is a scab cheerleader, and the likes of Luv eat up every bit of his pom pom show.

Time to get a clue Bean...scabs like Bradford, Music et al have every desire to steal from you and your family.

Lucky for us...the company is about to get the Wake up call....collusion with a scab union has damages in the billions...there will be no AMR deal if it involves any involvement of usapa whatsoever. So...where do you think usapa is going??

 

[fatherabraham]

Well that was entertaining.

Please do look for me in the teminal...

I will be the West captain that is senior to you who treats you very pleasantly knowing for the rest of my career you will remain junior to me.

Nic,

Will you be treating me pleasantly if your Nic career fails?
Thx for the sans "S word " post. I knew you could do it!

FA

 

[Move2CLT]

Gershon just dismissed the final count in the Naugler (MDA) litigation.

MDA is officially D - E - A - D.

And no money for an appeal. Too bad, so sad.

 

[EastCheats]

Nic,

Will you be treating me pleasantly if your Nic career fails?
Thx for the sans "S word " post. I knew you could do it!

FA

Go to the mods with the "S" word. It attracts flies like you to a hot steaming pile. I saw your threat to Nic and it appears he is rubbing that pile in your face.

 

[fatherabraham]

Go to the mods with the "S" word. It attracts flies like you to a hot steaming pile. I saw your threat to Nic and it appears he is rubbing that pile in your face.

Nice Cheats,

Guess you can just wallow in your hatred. Do you eat with that mouth?

FA

 

[exB717Flyer]

All,

Anyone else see the similarities in John Hales memo below to AA mgt to the main issue with Nic?

Nope. Just you.

Btw, the APA message board is buzzing about merger thoughts just like here. They couldn't care less about the Nic. They know it exists, they know it's the official list, and they'll do everything in their power to screw all if us if they get the chance.

ps. Wouldn't it be ironic if we merged with AA, got a list through binding arbitration, then the AA pilots decided to vote in a new union so they could staple the US Air pilots?