US Pilots' Labor Thread 6/9-6/16--PLEASE OBSERVE THE RULES

[Captain Underpants]

Wasn't one of the campaign promises of USAPA about lower compensation to these people?

Prater's total compensation as president of ALPA was over $550,000/yr. Cleary's compensation as president of USAPA is 75% lower. I would say the promise was fulfilled especially considering ALPA had over 100 six figure employees with ALPA paid full pensions and benefits including secretaries and office workers consuming over 60% of our dues monies.

underpants

 

[Elevation]

ALPA oversees dozen or so union groups with 1.95% dues. USAPA oversees a 1/2 of a union with half the benefits for 1.95% dues. Thats value. lol.

 

[luvn737s]

The resolution on compensation passed unanimously, so maybe those LAS and PHX reps acted on the whole story and not just rhetoric such as the above

I guess one hand can't wash the other if it's too busy stabbing you in the back.

Last I knew, there were no E-190's in LAS or PHX. I guess the east never gets enough of throwing the junior guys under the bus.

 

[luvn737s]

Actually it was a rather immature dig at the lack of happenings here... Where is everybody?

They heard Euro was being pulled down and they're out building their pay to the cap. Of course this is with guys already on furlough, you know the ones USAPA was intended to help.

And USAPA goes along with it because, heck those pay raises the mahoff got for themselves gotta come from somewhere. Yep, that unity out there is mighty impressive.

PS - Why do you suppose that "stipend" (cute) wasn't put out for a vote. I'll give you 3 guesses, the first two don't count.

PPS- Psst.- Jetblue can make your 330 cap on a light month with a slew of days off.

 

[ussnark]

I guess one hand can't wash the other if it's too busy stabbing you in the back.

Last I knew, there were no E-190's in LAS or PHX. I guess the east never gets enough of throwing the junior guys under the bus.

Sometimes I wonder if you reside on this planet.

It is not the job of a union to provide jobs, as members of ALPA try to do. It is a responsibility of the host company, tempe in this case. They hire and fire, not the union.

Under ALPA, it was a common trick of management to come to the union, saying, if you will take more concessions, we can keep these people "on the property". As if. The east all took concessions to keep the "MDA" guys on the property and look what hogwash that turned into.

Let management take responsibility for their decisions, for once. I'd love to see execs take personal responsibility for their mistakes. Parker's nine mil take from last year would not make each MDA dude rich, but might provide a warning for other incompetent execs.

 

[hp_fa]

Prater's total compensation as president of ALPA was over $550,000/yr. Cleary's compensation as president of USAPA is 75% lower. I would say the promise was fulfilled especially considering ALPA had over 100 six figure employees with ALPA paid full pensions and benefits including secretaries and office workers consuming over 60% of our dues monies.

underpants

Elevation made the point that I was going to make, specifically that Prater (or whoever happens to be ALPA National's president) oversees many MEC's and the rest of the ALPA National infrastructures (including secretaries) also are there because they cover a lot of MEC's.

Now let me re-ask, wasn't one of the campaign promises of USAPA about lower compensation to these people? (ie-MEC/BPR leaders)

 

[ussnark]

Elevation made the point that I was going to make, specifically that Prater (or whoever happens to be ALPA National's president) oversees many MEC's and the rest of the ALPA National infrastructures (including secretaries) also are there because they cover a lot of MEC's.

Now let me re-ask, wasn't one of the campaign promises of USAPA about lower compensation to these people? (ie-MEC/BPR leaders)

Let me see here.

85 hours plus $1500 stipend is equivalent to about 95 hours, which is far less than the 120 hours for an ALPA MEC chairperson who could not be bothered to keep up with his medical.

Note: also that there is no incentive to increase pay, on its face. I like that.

 

[A320 Driver]

Elevation made the point that I was going to make, specifically that Prater (or whoever happens to be ALPA National's president) oversees many MEC's and the rest of the ALPA National infrastructures (including secretaries) also are there because they cover a lot of MEC's.

Now let me re-ask, wasn't one of the campaign promises of USAPA about lower compensation to these people? (ie-MEC/BPR leaders)

I sure thought it was. Along with holding meetings at crew layover hotels (changed now), no roll call vote (they changed that too), seniority based representation (you guessed it...wouldn't do it). They lied about crew rest. They insulted the very management pilots that sit across from the table from them during negotiations. They screamed at the CEO like children. They ran off or refused help from those pilots that worked in the union before in various pilot advocasy functions. They seem to make it up as they go along but at the same time they seem to enjoy the support of a large part of the pilot group.

They promised the moon to get voted in but nobody that I know of is holding their feet to the fire on these issues now. Just a bunch of protestors that only pay germain dues, complain, but can't vote.

This is a fine howdy do.

Driver B)

 

[ussnark]

I sure thought it was. Along with holding meetings at crew layover hotels (changed now), no roll call vote (they changed that too), seniority based representation (you guessed it...wouldn't do it). They lied about crew rest. They insulted the very management pilots that sit across from the table from them during negotiations. They screamed at the CEO like children. They ran off or refused help from those pilots that worked in the union before in various pilot advocasy functions. They seem to make it up as they go along but at the same time they seem to enjoy the support of a large part of the pilot group.

They promised the moon to get voted in but nobody that I know of is holding their feet to the fire on these issues now. Just a bunch of protestors that only pay germain dues, complain, but can't vote.

This is a fine howdy do.

Driver B)

Just to start, what do you think is a "roll call vote"?

 

[boeingplt]

I sure thought it was. Along with holding meetings at crew layover hotels (changed now), no roll call vote (they changed that too), seniority based representation (you guessed it...wouldn't do it). They lied about crew rest. They insulted the very management pilots that sit across from the table from them during negotiations. They screamed at the CEO like children. They ran off or refused help from those pilots that worked in the union before in various pilot advocasy functions. They seem to make it up as they go along but at the same time they seem to enjoy the support of a large part of the pilot group.

They promised the moon to get voted in but nobody that I know of is holding their feet to the fire on these issues now. Just a bunch of protestors that only pay germain dues, complain, but can't vote.

This is a fine howdy do.

Driver B)

J.S. I presume.

 

[A320 Driver]

J.S. I presume.

Jump Seater?

Jerry Springer?

Just Shopping?

J.S.?

😛h34r:

 

[traderjake]

J.S. I presume.

Jack Stephen.

Typical pathetic USAPA tactic.

You can't respond to any of the points made because they're all true.

Your tilting at the DOH windmill is costing all of us a lot of money.

 

[boeingplt]

Jack Stephen.

Nope, not even close.

 

[electricjet98]

Anyone have any further details on this?

There are to be two damages trials. The first one in August is a damages trial for the named plaintiffs. This trial must be successful in order to move to the second damages trial for the class. The second damages trial by jury could possibly occur as early as October or November. The date depends on availability of the court.

This was the reason the court bifurcated the complaint once the class was certified. Without this split, we would still be waiting for a trial to begin.

 

[Phoenix]

Elevation made the point that I was going to make, specifically that Prater (or whoever happens to be ALPA National's president) oversees many MEC's and the rest of the ALPA National infrastructures (including secretaries) also are there because they cover a lot of MEC's.

Now let me re-ask, wasn't one of the campaign promises of USAPA about lower compensation to these people? (ie-MEC/BPR leaders)

Prater's compensation was quite a carrot, and well it should have been... after all it was Prater that shoehorned Continental back into ALPA. Who could deny him a slice of those restored dues?

ALPA paid an MEC member who was flying for Jetblue, as if he was still at USAir, and they allowed him to vote as an MEC member.

How much must one pay Continental pilots and Jetblue pilots in order for them to faithfully represent the interests of USAir pilots? Get it yet? Whether you pay them twice as much our half as much, a USAir pilot is more likely to faithfully represent a USAir pilot. Pay isn't the issue (even if you had bothered to attempt to demonstrate that your presumed accusations are accurate anyway).