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[N924PS]

They can move those Airbus C checks to any part of the country and the same with the 737 C checks.  So how many in Pitt are going to move to PHX where houses cost 3 x that in Pitts.

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Yeah, but think of all the money you'll save on heating for the winter!

 

[makers mark]

PIT mechanics are signing, some at the union meetings. Get a cards and spread them around, we keep seniority, scope and will negotiate a contract for everyone after the teamsters are voted in. It is time for a change. B)

 

[B737 MECHANIC]

PIT mechanics are signing, some at the union meetings. Get a cards and spread them around, we keep seniority, scope and will negotiate a contract for everyone after the teamsters are voted in. It is time for a change. B)

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A POST FROM A DIFFERENT BOARD

whirly_001

A little history and a little advise.

When AA and TWA had there merge back in 2001 we had the same thing go on between the TWU and IAM. We needed to get approximately 3000 cards if I remember right to force an election. We obtained well over the number of cards required and sent them into the IAM. The IAM never acted on this on behalf of the TWU members that was wishing to force an election. I believe the IAM/TWU cut a deal to make damn sure we would never get an election to protect themselves against us doing a write of another union which could of forced a run off election between the top two union on the first ballot.

A little advise about NMB protests. When calculating how many cards you will need for an election. Don't forget about all your RIF guys that will count as long as they have recall rights. You will want to include anyone that even comes close to cleaning a cabin of an A/C and that includes in between trips at the gate. Don't forget about the Lav guys they also will be included. It doesn't matter which departments have contractual rights to these jobs, the NMB will include them anyways. The IAM will throw so many of these two work groups at you it will be almost impossible to figure out if they really do the job or not in the time frame you will have to figure it out in.

Good luck it will be educational in the games that the IAM will try to play to save there asses.


Received: 10/04/05 18:29:24 EDT
Name: whirly_001
E-Mail:
Employer: AWA
Location: PHX-Line
Message:
I understand this is more of an AMFA website but dont think a AMFA drive would be the right thing right now in the AWA/USAirways merger, so here is some info for the USAir guys that is on the Teamster local website. Thanks for the space TM and all your time.
You are certainly welcome. - TM


Question: Who will be recognized as your representative? The IAM claims (9-26-05 memo and flyer) that it will be recognized automatically as the representative of the US Airways and America West Airlines mechanics once there is a merger. Is that true?

Answer: The answer is NO; there will be no automatic recognition of the Machinists. The IAM allegedly filed with the National Mediation Board (NMB) for a single carrier ruling (equivalent to a merger) on September 30. The carrier and both unions have an opportunity to respond to this filing. Should the Board rule THAT a single carrier does not yet exist, then members will continue to be represented by their current unions. Should the Board rule that a single carrier does exist, then the IBT has two additional weeks in which to provide a sufficient showing of interest to force an election between the two unions.

Question: What is a showing of interest and what is required to force an election between the two unions?

Answer: In this case, the Teamsters must provide a showing of interest that equals or exceeds 35% of the total eligibility list of the two mechanic groups. To achieve 35%, the IBT needs several hundred cards signed by IAM members to add to its America West members. Once this threshold is met, there will be an election and you will have a choice between the unions.

Question: How is representation decided in such an election?

Answer: With 50% plus 1 or more of the total members voting, the union with a majority of the votes cast is certified as your representative.

Question: Is it true, as the IAM claims, that there exists a danger that less than 50% of the total members may vote thereby resulting in loss of representation?

Answer: This is technically possible, but it really is only an IAM scare tactic. The IAM said the same thing at Piedmont and they were as wrong there as they are here. The IBT anticipates an election and we expect a high turnout of voters, well in excess of 50% of the total post merger mechanic class and craft.

Question: Is the IAM correct that, since US Airways is the surviving carrier, the US Airways IAM mechanic’s agreement will prevail?

Answer: NO. The IAM made the same claim at Piedmont and they were wrong. Piedmont management then tried to make the same claim and they were forced to accept the IBT’s position on the courthouse steps. As your certified representative, the IBT will negotiate an amalgamated agreement from the two existing agreements and we fully intend to improve these. By contrast, the IAM is stuck with your bankruptcy driven agreement that they have yet to publish.

Question: Is it correct, as alleged by the IAM, that US Airways mechanics risk a loss of seniority under IBT policies? Is the rumor true that the IBT will insist on dovetailing the seniority list?

Answer: NO. As the IBT stated previously, we expect seniority integration to be based on date of hire with no further furloughs because of the merger.

Question: Is it correct, as the IAM alleges, that the IBT will not bargain to retain heavy maintenance?

Answer: NO. The IBT will bargain to retain all heavy maintenance and bring in additional business. The IBT did this at Continental and other carriers. IBT job security language (scope) is the strongest in the industry, while the IAM’s has been weak.

Question: The IAM states that it is bargaining a transition agreement with the Company (US Airways). Is that true and what does that mean?

Answer: If the IBT is certified, the company is required by law to bargain with us. That would make irrelevant anything that the IAM is doing now.

Question: How is the IBT better than the IAM insofar as wages and job security are concerned?

Answer: The IAM already told you that their bankruptcy-negotiated wages and scope are what you are going to get if they represent you. The IBT wages at AWA are already higher than your current wages and the Teamsters are bargaining to get the AWA wages higher. US Airways is out of bankruptcy and can no longer justify a claim for bottom feeder wages. We intend to negotiate the wages higher. The Teamsters have the highest AMT wages in the industry and the world. The Teamsters have the best scope (job security) language in industry. The Teamsters have the power, strength, and experience you need to aggressively bargain for you and to properly represent you.



In conclusion, we ask each of you to complete and return a Teamster representation card in order to ensure that there will be a democratic election, which allows you to choose the IBT as your bargaining representative.

 

[amt4u]

Now...this is indeed one of the best questions I have seen posted to date!!!...BigE, and APtech, I too can't wait to see the spin...I mean, the answer to this one.....BigE, I'm sure your just confused 😉 , and letting the FACTS get in your way.....

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this is for 700w and dell dude; SO YOU KNOW, remember the usair/mechanic strike of 1992 well; 2 iam shop stewards from pit ( charley vuick and ron eikins) kept working for usair on special assingments with full pay while we walked the line AND they had the iam blessing.

AMT4U

 

[NeedForSpeed]

this is for 700w and dell dude; SO YOU KNOW, remember the usair/mechanic strike of 1992 well; 2 iam shop stewards from pit ( charley vuick and ron eikins) kept working for usair on special assingments with full pay while we walked the line AND they had the iam blessing.

AMT4U

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LOOK Out!! Shots fired...

 

[delldude]

this is for 700w and dell dude; SO YOU KNOW, remember the usair/mechanic strike of 1992 well; 2 iam shop stewards from pit ( charley vuick and ron eikins) kept working for usair on special assingments with full pay while we walked the line AND they had the iam blessing.

AMT4U

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[delldude]

this is for 700w and dell dude; SO YOU KNOW, remember the usair/mechanic strike of 1992 well; 2 iam shop stewards from pit ( charley vuick and ron eikins) kept working for usair on special assingments with full pay while we walked the line AND they had the iam blessing.

AMT4U

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and your point?
you forgot those 3 scabs in the machine shop.
all of ATL.....
and if it went longer than a week it would have been pretty in PIT.

 

[AP Tech]

Don't forget TPA where a fair number worked through the strike! One did return to PIT only to find himself labeled a Scab, he had very few friends left and soon retired!! As for which union the mechanics in Pit will choose???? Well after the rounds of concessions and each time the IAM contract passed, I would have to say those left will stay with the IAM.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

LOOK Out!! Shots fired...

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[scatcat]

The way I understand it from U.S West management is that if we go
IAM (not that will have a choice) that our a/c will go under the IAM's
present scope meaning a possible heavy mx line in PHX. & more jobs created. and if it were to go IBT that our scope would prevent mx from
be outsourced meaning present mx must stay in house.(including present heavy check)

Realisticly I doudt that the Co. would fess up more than 10-15% pay
increse over the next 5 yrs. to the IBT. But hate to think I could take a
pay cut and loss of other benefiets such as 401k which is presently
50 cent's on the dollar up to 6%, sick time and vacation for some.

Is the IAM contract amendable in 2011 or 2009? (i've seen both)

Filling out a card is not going to bring the IBT in just might bring it to a
vote. and the 50 % not voting thing just isn't going to happend.

So I guess I'd be leaning towards the IBT,way I see it we can always strike if we don't like what they offer. I doudt Doug would be to happy
about taking LCC in to BK. Which I'm sure we could do if we really wanted.-Later

 

[SSBB]

:down: The IAM sure sold you down the river. I was reading the US Bankruptcy Court case #04-13819-ssm date 08/05/2005 on page 9

" In addition, longevity pay is eliminated. Employees returning from furlough will return to the first step on the pay scale. There will no pay increases during 2005-2007 then there will be a 1% pay increase in 2008 and 2% pay increase in 2009."

 

[allstrike]

:down: The IAM sure sold you down the river. I was reading the US Bankruptcy Court case #04-13819-ssm date 08/05/2005 on page 9

" In addition, longevity pay is eliminated. Employees returning from furlough will return to the first step on the pay scale. There will no pay increases during 2005-2007 then there will be a 1% pay increase in 2008 and 2% pay increase in 2009."

That there me hardy is the ramp contract not the mech's and related........now you know why all the new talent in PHL is NEW....🙂

 

[SSBB]

I thought from post from 700UW that you all where all under the same contract?? :unsure:

 

[700UW]

I have never posted that the ramp is under the same CBA as the mechanic and related.

 

[gonzo]

It seems to be you forgot that US has filed bankruptcy twice in the past two years and held a gun to labor's head.

The IBT contract scope language permits and HP does outsource 100% of heavy maintenance, is that too hard of a concept to understand while the IAM/US contract scope language covers 100% of the A320 family and 50% of the 737 work.

And that final offer voted on by the membership was not a tentative agreement, it was a final offer thrown to the IAM by the company after the judge abrogated the contract.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

"The Company may outsource all 757, 767, and A330 maintenance" this is certainly a fact to celebrate.
😳 If they can find other facilities, that are not over booked, they will send every aircraft out to be overhauled. It is the way of the future.........