Worst Contract Carrier

[john john]

Nah
"alot"? How much is that?

You are not going to tell me that PSA crews call in sick/no show/go out of their way to screw the pax and/or company any more than anybody else are you? C'mon!

Yes because they are paid less

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Maybe it's time to close voting on this poll and start it over. A lot has changed since it first started...and there are new contract carriers.

Moderators?

 

[Stuka Luva]

Yes because they are paid less

*sigh*

Typical flamebait that I normally wouldn't respond to, but today I've got time.

My sarcasm detector is MELed so this may not be needed, but here goes anyway...

By this logic, the less one is paid, the poorer a job they do. The higher paid people do a better job. While money can be a way to motivate some people, it is not an all encompassing "cure-all". While I would never act against company policy and identify myself as a US Airways employee on a public forum, I can speak from first-hand experience that PSA employees as a whole are a dedicated work force. They work hard day in and day out to keep the operation moving as smoothly as possible.

Because I make X% less than a mainline captain, does that also equate to doing a X% worse job? Of course not, I take my job just as seriously and treat the customer with just as much respect. Will mainline employees do a Y% worse job because their pay/retirement/benefits etc has been decreased by Y%? Maybe you can ask them if you want to know, but I don't think it will. If so, this company is doomed. I believe in a workforce that continues to do its job even if they are not the highest paid, do you?

I can think of a few people who were paid a whole lot of cash and did a very little good at all...Wolf/Gangwal/Seigel to mention a few.

 

[john john]

*sigh*

Typical flamebait that I normally wouldn't respond to, but today I've got time.

My sarcasm detector is MELed so this may not be needed, but here goes anyway...

By this logic, the less one is paid, the poorer a job they do. The higher paid people do a better job. While money can be a way to motivate some people, it is not an all encompassing "cure-all". While I would never act against company policy and identify myself as a US Airways employee on a public forum, I can speak from first-hand experience that PSA employees as a whole are a dedicated work force. They work hard day in and day out to keep the operation moving as smoothly as possible.

Because I make X% less than a mainline captain, does that also equate to doing a X% worse job? Of course not, I take my job just as seriously and treat the customer with just as much respect. Will mainline employees do a Y% worse job because their pay/retirement/benefits etc has been decreased by Y%? Maybe you can ask them if you want to know, but I don't think it will. If so, this company is doomed. I believe in a workforce that continues to do its job even if they are not the highest paid, do you?

I can think of a few people who were paid a whole lot of cash and did a very little good at all...Wolf/Gangwal/Seigel to mention a few.

I work with express and mainline crews every day the reliably rate for express is far less then mainline. There is a big difference between mainline and express we all know what that is……….don’t fool your self

 

[Stuka Luva]

I work with express and mainline crews every day the reliably rate for express is far less then mainline. There is a big difference between mainline and express we all know what that is……….don’t fool your self

I was wrong...




I don't have time for this today after all,
watching paint dry is much more rewarding

Sheesh

 

[2clippedwings]

I work with express and mainline crews every day the reliably rate for express is far less then mainline. There is a big difference between mainline and express we all know what that is……….don’t fool your self

I stand by my original comment.
john john, do you know where hundreds of furloughed mainline employees went to work after being laid off?

I'll guess that your station has been "expressed" and for that I am sorry as your quality of life and wage suffer. Currently, I am making the same flight attendant wages I made back in 1979 and I still take pride in my work. B)
I also would like to see this poll shut down and retooled with up to date information.

 

[hula-flyguy]

I worked side by side with mainline and commuter flight crews for many years. Granted it has been a few years since I have done so. But since we are using generalizaitons and not singling out specific carriers, I feel compelled to respond.

Chatauqua, Crown, Allegheny, Henson, were the carriers of my day. These crews were indeed underpaid. I remember talking to a pilot who had a wife and 4 kids (allegheny) and he qualified for food stamps in Pa.

Mike (food stamp guy) was one of the most professional airmen that I have had the pleasure to work with in my > quarter century in the industry. He had a job to do, and took pride in doing that job, hoping to one day get on mainline. He never did, but his professionalism and dedication to flying never waivered. Dont get me wrong, he was not a company man, he was a union rep...but he DID his job with pride, and made the best of what he had to work with.

Mike was not the exception to the rule. more than 95% of the crew members I dealt with on a daily basis were like mike when it came to dedication to the craft of flying.

There were a handful of schmucks who did have the mentality that the company and the world owed them a living, but they were few and far between.\


Also, I'd like to point out that there are crew members who whine and cry about pay, scheduling, aircraft, the company, etc., but when push comes to shove, these crewmembers are their for their passengers.

So yes, I take exception to the pay issue relating to below average performance of these flight crews.

 

[john john]

I guess I was wrong? all of these express carriers are very reliable? I guess in my station they just have problems.
Piedmont Airlines/ Allegheny Airline
PSA
Colgan Air
Chautauqua Airlines
Mesa Air
Trans States Airlines
Shuttle America
Air Wisconsin Airlines
What is the difference between express carriers and mainline carriers to make express carriers more unreliable or am I and the rest of the poster wrong about express reliability

 

[hula-flyguy]

As I stated before, it has been a while since I've had the pleasure of working side by side with the commuter folks, but I cant see that it has changed all that much. I'm sure you have 10%, as in most all work groups, that feel the company owes them a living. Seems to be the work ethic of the younger generation. But again, I doubt that it is any more than 10%

 

[2clippedwings]

I guess I was wrong? all of these express carriers are very reliable? I guess in my station they just have problems.
Piedmont Airlines/ Allegheny Airline
PSA
Colgan Air
Chautauqua Airlines
Mesa Air
Trans States Airlines
Shuttle America
Air Wisconsin Airlines
What is the difference between express carriers and mainline carriers to make express carriers more unreliable or am I and the rest of the poster wrong about express reliability

I believe part of the reliability problem can be attributed to the sheer volume of flights (more frequency, smaller a/c) transitting through LGA, PHL and other airports that had long been mainline jet strongholds. It is inevitable to have ramp, gate, loading, offloading, baggage....delays. Oh yes, and weather too. Just read other threads to see the damage that the Philly factor alone wreaks on the system.
Bottom line, people for the most part do the best job they can with the tools they are given to work with.

 

[hula-flyguy]

Bottom line, people for the most part do the best job they can with the tools they are given to work with.
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zactly!

 

[Stuka Luva]

Bottom line, people for the most part do the best job they can with the tools they are given to work with.
zactly!

Yup

 

[john john]

We fly passengers from point A to Point B and express carriers are less reliable than main line. And the only big difference is pay,Average employees age, A/C, and the size of the operation is smaller (at least for now) THE TOOLS ARE ARIPLANES. RJ's and props in your option are not good ?

 

[hula-flyguy]

[express carriers are less reliable than main line.




And the stats to back this statement can be found where?

 

[2clippedwings]

We fly passengers from point A to Point B and express carriers are less reliable than main line. And the only big difference is pay,Average employees age, A/C, and the size of the operation is smaller (at least for now) THE TOOLS ARE ARIPLANES. RJ's and props in your option are not good ?

If you work for an airline and some of us won't admit that we do 😉 then you know that the regional vs mainline is MUCH more involved than your synopsis would allow.
You asked a question but do not really want the answer...where did THAT (your response) come from?? :blink:
I, for one am moving on to the next topic :unsure: