Yes or no for the IBEW?

[Tim Nelson]

All the IAM has to do is press charges against them with the AFL-CIO and where is the official notice that the IBEW is raiding?

All I see is rampers passing out cards.

The IBEW has dispatched an IBEW business rep to handle the raid. Further, some rampers are campaigning and flying around on paid travel that is supported by the IBEW committment to fleet service. I'm sure the IAM has been in contact telling the IBEW to stop the campaign but the IBEW is currently pressing forward with its fleet service committment.

700, this wouldn't be the first time an AFL union raided another. Further, the AFLCIO has a weakened position and may actually be at risk of losing another 750,000 member union [about twice the size of the IAM].

regards,

 

[perserverance]

The IBEW can and will ask for an election when and if they reach the number of cards they feel
they need. Once that number is reached the IBEW will advise the AFL-CIO of thier intentions to seek
to represent the fleet service workforce at US and AW collectively. The AFL-CIO will then have to
make a decision on what course to take. Seeing how the IBEW has close to 1,000,000 members not the
750,000 currently posted on thier site. It would be in the best interest of the AFL-CIO to back the
IBEW or possible levy some fines and allow a campain to commence.OPINION.
The ''rampers'' are dues paying members to the AFL-CIO under the IAM banner. These ''rampers''
are now looking into the alternative ,of paying dues, under the ''rampers'' banner of IBEW. FACT.
The IAM can't press charges until a letter of intent is sent to the AFL-CIO. Then it will be to late.
Because when the letter is sent the IBEW will have the cards they feel they'll need to secure a vote
for a change. The IAM has already placed call to the IBEW and the AFL-CIO but they can only sit back
and wait til a formal presentation is presented. Til then anyone suggesting or stating as fact that this
pre-campaign card signing is all for naught is WRONG.OPINION. Once again they state something as fact rather than opinion. The IBEW wants the ramp workforce and is doing everything they can in an orderly manner to ensure this happens. FACT.


Thanks :closedeyes:

 

[700UW]

Your dues are paid to the IAM, the IAM National belongs to the AFL-CIO and they pay per capita tax to the AFL-CIO, not each individual.

The IAM can presses charges with the AFL-CIO when the IBEW backs the campaign.

Yep and you want a union that has NEVER represeneted airline employees and has no clue about it.

Just like how the CWA did and you saw how they sold the west out without a vote on the CBA and gave up the COC in order for the company not to challenge the IBT/CWA Alliance which was all over the IBT and CWA getting the dues money.

 

[pjirish317]

700,
If you are so opposed to this then don't sign an IBEW card. Go and play with the IAM guys you appear to be so loyal to. :down:

 

[wings396]

Your dues are paid to the IAM, the IAM National belongs to the AFL-CIO and they pay per capita tax to the AFL-CIO, not each individual.

The IAM can presses charges with the AFL-CIO when the IBEW backs the campaign.

Yep and you want a union that has NEVER represeneted airline employees and has no clue about it.

Just like how the CWA did and you saw how they sold the west out without a vote on the CBA and gave up the COC in order for the company not to challenge the IBT/CWA Alliance which was all over the IBT and CWA getting the dues money.

And the IAM has, but they still have no clue. Maybe they did a decent job for the M&R membership, but they have sucked all along when it came to representing the Fleet group. As I have said before, I would vote out the IAM in favor of the grocers union based on the lack of support they have given to fleet. The friggen 60 day furlough crap imposed on the Fleet group alone just about says it all. In case you forgot, they are the ONLY UNIONIZED GROUP on the property that has that clause in their CBA, and the only one in the Indusrty for that matter. :down:

 

[bob dylan]

''Your dues are paid to the IAM, the IAM National belongs to the AFL-CIO and they pay per capita tax to the AFL-CIO, not each individual.''

I think thats' what his/her post said. They pay the IAM and the IAM pays the AFL-CIO.

''The IAM can presses charges with the AFL-CIO when the IBEW backs the campaign.''

I think thats what his/her post said. Once they file a letter with thier intent.

''Yep and you want a union that has NEVER represeneted airline employees and has no clue about it.''

I can only speak for myself but ''yes''. This ''airline union'' is terrible and 700. if I could, do you work in the fleet and if so, never mind, but if not, this isn't your battle. I know I'm new to the board and I feel
alitlle in awe of the number of posts people have. I see names like yours and Tim Nelson and see the
number of posts but than I see the ''registered date'' and although Tim Nelson and you have roughly
the same senority you have over 13 posts for every 1 of his. So I did some searching and found
that Tims posts are usually relevant to the topic where as yours are usually argumenitive and dis-
respectful to others. I also see your all over the borad in alot of different topics. Thats why I was won-
dering your stake in this. In an earlier post you used the word ''rampers'' so I'm thinking your in maintenance if employed at all in USAirways. Just asking and if you fell this is none of my buisness just don't reply and I'll understand. You don't have to reply . If your in maintenance we want you to have the
141 back, we'll leave.

bob

 

[perserverance]

bob dylan-
Thanks for your post....I'm gald you understand what I tried to get across and
welcome to the board. You'll find most posters' are friendly and if they disagree
with you, they'll usually ask questions but some posters are just looking for the
argument. You'll have to figure out who's who. Welcome.

Thanks

 

[freedom]

hmm if i recall 700 used to be an IAM higher up but I think he‘s retired now ?, i find his opinion on most matters to be insightful but it’s also nice to have a different perspective so I hope that he will keep posting on this issue .Besides he's like a one stop shopping center of information lol

 

[orioleman]

700,
You said the cwa gave away the COC in exchange for united front with the IBT for getting dues.. Well I would have to say at least they know why their union gave away the COC.. Unlike the
the IAM they just give it away because ... well because..... they get positive space travel.. as far as the IBEW having never represented and airline.. Funny look at their website.. they represent
a whole lot more than electrical workers.. and have to agree with perv. in previous post would be nice to have a union thats not in bed with the company... As far as issues pertaining to airlines

what vast knowledge does the IAM bring that another union wouldn't .. when It comes down to it it's about getting the best for your employees that you can get.. And boss Canale. Stood in front
of his FORMER brothers/sisters in phl last week and said HE thought he neg. a GOOD contract for us... SO you know what the BEST the iam gets ya..

time for change... GOO IBEW

 

[Tim Nelson]

Your dues are paid to the IAM, the IAM National belongs to the AFL-CIO and they pay per capita tax to the AFL-CIO, not each individual.

The IAM can presses charges with the AFL-CIO when the IBEW backs the campaign.

Yep and you want a union that has NEVER represeneted airline employees and has no clue about it.

Just like how the CWA did and you saw how they sold the west out without a vote on the CBA and gave up the COC in order for the company not to challenge the IBT/CWA Alliance which was all over the IBT and CWA getting the dues money.

700, I am in process of doing an IBEW Q&A and it should be ready in a few days and sent out to the ramp rat network, which is mostly everywhere at this point.
But, a few notes for starters. The IBEW has in fact represented airline employees, even your craft M & R employees. I'm not sure how you can say the IBEW has no clue about representing workers under the RLA since it represents workers at approx. 35 companies that come under the railway labor act. The IBEW is also a member of the Transportation council [I believe AFLCIO]. The IBEW has been highly engaged in the RLA so just because they haven't had any presence on this property doesn't mean they [as you say] "Don't have a clue." Thousands of IBEW members work under the RLA, unlike the USWA. Also, the IBEW is twice the size of the IAM and has a list of resources at its disposal.

OTOH, we know the I Am Management 'expertise'. The IAM has been in this industry so long that it has become the company bed partner. Yes, the IAM is US AIRWAYS friend with benefits.

"I thought it was a good contract" Boss Canale's statements according to testimony on this website from the PHL 1776 meeting.

regards,

 

[perserverance]

''The IBEW has in fact represented airline employees, even your craft M & R employees. I'm not sure how you can say the IBEW has no clue about representing workers under the RLA since it represents workers at approx. 35 companies that come under the railway labor act. The IBEW is also a member of the Transportation council [I believe AFLCIO]. The IBEW has been highly engaged in the RLA so just because they haven't had any presence on this property doesn't mean they [as you say] "Don't have a clue." Thousands of IBEW members work under the RLA, unlike the USWA. Also, the IBEW is twice the size of the IAM and has a list of resources at its disposal. ''


Absolutely correct.... thier 1,000,000 strong and growing. Thier a union for the workers.
Canale's done as far as were concerned, he will not speak for us. He's had
over a decade and were still waiting. Yeah I know, 2 bankruptcies, well how
about 2 years of profits..IBEW NOW.

Thanks

 

[700UW]

Railroads are not airlines. Funny I just checked their web page dont see what airlines they represent.

Go look up the history of the inability of railroad employees to get a CBA, most of the time Congress legistlates their CBA.

Twice the size?

The IAM has 750,000 active and retired members, need some math lessons?

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) represents approximately 750,000 members who work in a wide variety of fields, including utilities, construction, telecommunications, broadcasting, manufacturing, railroads and government. The IBEW has members in both the United States and Canada and stands out among the American unions in the AFL-CIO because it is among the largest and has members in so many skilled occupations

Now tell me what airline they represent again?

 

[REACC1]

Your dues are paid to the IAM, the IAM National belongs to the AFL-CIO and they pay per capita tax to the AFL-CIO, not each individual.

The IAM can presses charges with the AFL-CIO when the IBEW backs the campaign.

Yep and you want a union that has NEVER represeneted airline employees and has no clue about it.

Just like how the CWA did and you saw how they sold the west out without a vote on the CBA and gave up the COC in order for the company not to challenge the IBT/CWA Alliance which was all over the IBT and CWA getting the dues money.

I dunno,the west CSA"S are going from 13.00 (which probably never happened) TOS to 18.00-22.00. Alot of people are going to get a rather large jump in pay over the next few years.
If ramp and customer service were in the same union, maybe, just maybe, there would be some pull and some REAL strength, instead of just lip service.

 

[orioleman]

I would rather take my chances with a union with NO ties to USairways then one that bends over backwards to continue to help the company out... To think alot of folks thought and believed the IAM conceded alot of benefits / workrules because of the 2 bankruptcies .. SO 700 what is there excuse now.. the company is making record profits and the IAM still is trying to flush the fleet down
the drain..

 

[Hope777]

700,
Do you think the IAM is fair to all of the USAirways Employees?
Why do I in a class II city pay more in dues than my fellow FSA's in CLT, which is a class I city making more than $2.00 an hour then me? Yes I know about local fees.... but why woul the IAM sell the Class II cities down the river? Yes it was voted in, but by the Bribed Class one Cities. ALL THE CLASS II CITES VOTED THE CONTRACT DOWN.

I am willing to take the chance with the IBEW, they can not treat the class II employees any worse. We the FSA's have always been treated by the IAM as the Step Brother/Sister of the M & R craft.