Your Choise

[AIRWOMAN]

Walked out?

You guys were never on strike.

There's more than one way to "walk" out. And it was done years back.
And there isn't anything that anyone can do if a licensed mechanic goes by the book.

 

[awausairtech]

Well Well 7 something you do not know.

History: Back in 1995 AWA told all the employees, YOU DO NOT NEED A UNION WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU..

WE MISSED THE VOTE TO GO IBT BY 14 votes. :angry:

AWA shutdown the Hanger Farmed out C-CK and SOLD all the C-CK tools, shut down the back shops, fired all the back shop people AND 500 AWA TECHS.

WE Had to wait till we could vote again and when we did we went TEAMSTERS.

TIME went by and AWA was dragging its feet and doing the stall thing that they are so good at. THE IBT MADE UP STICKERS THAT SAID( MEL's 104 AND RISING ). THE NIGHT THIS WAS DONE I DO NOT HAVE.
BUT THE IBT KNOWS THE DATE!

WE WERE TOLD TO TAKE THE STICKERS OFF OR GO HOME.

WE WENT HOME
WALKED OUT PHX AND LAS AND OTHER STATIONS.

I THINK IT WAS 2 OR 3 WEEKS LATER WE HAD A CONTRACT.

SO YES MR-700 WE ARE A REAL AIRLINE AND UNION

 

[700UW]

A real union would not let a company outsource all your overhaul.

A real union would have been able to bring overhaul back in-house for the past ten years.

A real airline has widebodies and flies to international destinations in Europe.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

A real union would not let a company outsource all your overhaul.

A real union would have been able to bring overhaul back in-house for the past ten years.

A real airline has widebodies and flies to international destinations in Europe.

The outsourcing was done BEFORE the union was in place, as stated a number of times.
Can any union require any company to do something like that? And if the IAM is a real union, as you are implying, why haven't they brought back the outsourced maintenance that was done at the old US Airways?? And please, you don't need to repeat yourself about the judge abrogating the contract. The judges name isn't on the contract as the representing union.
MAYBE some of the outsourced maintenance will come back. MAYBE it won't. But do you really honestly believe that the union has that power? The unions want it, the employees want it but..........the powers that be have the final say.
And your definition of a real airline is your opinion. Here's the definition for your future reference.
air·line ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ârln)
n.
A system for scheduled air transport of passengers and freight.
A business providing a system of scheduled air transport. Also called airway.
So why isn't the "real" airlines named something other that US Airways??? Shouldn't it be World Airways......oops, that's already taken.

 

[700UW]

And it took two bankruptcies and an abrogation to allow the outsourcing of some see some, not all of base mtc at US/East.

That is the truth, sorry if you don't want to read it and comprehend that.

The members did not have much of choice, a pile of crap in one hand and a bigger pile of crap in the other.

Ask your buddy awa who said that they are a real union and real airline.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

And it took two bankruptcies and an abrogation to allow the outsourcing of some see some, not all of base mtc at US/East.

That is the truth, sorry if you don't want to read it and comprehend that.

The members did not have much of choice, a pile of crap in one hand and a bigger pile of crap in the other.

Ask your buddy awa who said that they are a real union and real airline.

Those points are well understood. But your continual belittling of anything on the west side is garbage. Now you just have to understand and comprehend the points that are coming up from the HP side and the history that is there. And like it or not, there is history on the HP side. And when it comes right down to it, neither union has the power to demand that the company do anything. That will come through negotiations. And that should be very obvious to you and the others that have been through what they have. And when you do that, the BS of real this and real that will/should stop. Everyone's perception of "real" is different......all based on their opinion.

And yes, I'm having fun with the dictionary today.
re·al1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rl, rl)
adj.

Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence: real objects; a real illness.
True and actual; not imaginary, alleged, or ideal: real people, not ghosts; a film based on real life.
Of or founded on practical matters and concerns: a recent graduate experiencing the real world for the first time.
Genuine and authentic; not artificial or spurious: real mink; real humility.
Being no less than what is stated; worthy of the name: a real friend.
Free of pretense, falsehood, or affectation: tourists hoping for a real experience on the guided tour.
Not to be taken lightly; serious: in real trouble.
Philosophy. Existing objectively in the world regardless of subjectivity or conventions of thought or language.
Relating to, being, or having value reckoned by actual purchasing power: real income; real growth.
Physics. Of, relating to, or being an image formed by light rays that converge in space.
Mathematics. Of, relating to, or being a real number.
Law. Of or relating to stationary or fixed property, such as buildings or land.

adv. Informal
Very: I'm real sorry about that.

n.
A thing or whole having actual existence. Often used with the: theories beyond the realm of the real.
Mathematics. A real number.

Idiom:
for real Slang
Truly so in fact or actuality: “Is this place for real? A wolf in a... leisure suit and a cow in a print dress wait patiently on the couch in the lobbyâ€￾ (Teresa Carson).

 

[awausairtech]

A real union would not let a company outsource all your overhaul.

READ MY POST EARLIER. HISTORY...

QUOTE
A real union would have been able to bring overhaul back in-house for the past ten years.

NO TOOLS SOLD (TO STOP US FROM DOING IT)

QUOTE
A real airline has widebodies and flies to international destinations in Europe.

ETOPS /MEXICO/CANADA/AND AT ONE TIME WE HAD 747's.
So when you CRY BK and the judge.
THE AWA PEOPLE HAVE DID THAT AND MORE..

 

[700UW]

No you have not lost as much as the US/East people have.

Don't get me started.

You never had all the things the East workers had, we have given up more in concessions then you ever had.

And tooling can be bought very easily, that is a lame excuse.

 

[awausairtech]

YES THE TOOLS CAN.
WE HAVE THEM NOW FROM YOU IN THE EAST.....

AND UNDER THE IBT IF IT CAN BE DONE BY A TEAMSTER IT STAYS IN-HOUSE......THAT IS HOW WE GOT ALOT OF OUR WORK BACK.

 

[700UW]

Still don't have the heavy checks.

 

[delldude]

WE MISSED THE VOTE TO GO IBT BY 14 votes.

guy when i talk about a decertification by vote....this is exactly the type scenario that could come to pass.
you have no feel to the apathetic nature towards union representation at U........but a this point in time....they aren't going to go for a change in representation....most of the remaining workforce are quite senior and are not willing to take a chance at this point in time.
the biggest fear is a non showing at any vote between the two unions...and if it would come to that theres another chance a third union could jump in and further dilute the votes.
but these scenario's are quite unlikely at this time with the poor card returns you have experienced. 😉

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Still don't have the heavy checks.

But I got more marbles than you do.......gee whiz. Who friggin' cares what you HAD?? The thing to be focusing on is what we can get.

I love this on line dictionary. 😀
had ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hd)
v.
Past tense and past participle of have.

Please explain the massive equipment auctions at PIT and CLT last fall.

Sounds like there are more similarities between east and west than you're willing to admit.

 

[700UW]

Guess you don't like the truth.

 

[delldude]

But I got more marbles than you do.......gee whiz.

prove it...we think you're a blonde....
just kiddin' AW..... 😉

 

[Awa Contract]

by your definition then I guess a real union would not have lost half of the checks, wages, vacation, and sick pay.