JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

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  1. DallasConehead

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    LAA and LUS employees working in premium classifications (i.e. lead/crew chief or inspector) first placed in order of Occupational Seniority dates and Basic Classification Seniority dates. Then LUS employees slotted into integrated list in pre-merger order of Premium Classification dates. Report at 34-39

    http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Javits20Summary20Memo20and20Chart2012-27-16.pdf
     
  2. MetalMover

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    Unless I didn't read the report entirely or correctly, he left this issue up the association in negotiations.
     
  3. Duke787

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    I think this is just for the integration of the seniority lists for the merger, not for how future CCs seniority will work.

    Thanks just the same.
     
  4. DallasConehead

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    Oh, ok, I guess the sentence "employees working in premium classifications (i.e. lead/crew chief or inspector) first placed in order of Occupational Seniority dates"
    has some kind of different meaning I'm not aware of.
     
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    Looks like the method Javitz used was to slot the LUS Leads in the combined seniority list using the equivalent of their occupational seniority. Then the LUS Leads were rearranged amongst themselves according to their Lead seniority rank - without gaining an advantage on the LAA Leads. I guess it seems fair enough from what I see.

    The alarming yet not surprising thing I read, is how many people were attempting to convince this guy to rewrite the rules for their own benefit.
     
  6. MetalMover

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    Yea, I first thought the LUS were mainly given their basic classification time ala the LAA way. I too think this is very fair the way he explained it.
    And I agree that many people wanted decisions tailored to their personal situation.
    He also addressed the TWA seniority methodology quite extensively. He also explained that Kasher's ruling was binding and he would not and could not alter that ruling.
    I do not see anything majorly unfair in his ruling except for the tie breaker...some people may have wanted age to be the tie breaker rather than one's ssn.
     
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    Well we'll give the thumbs up to all three then. It's spectacular when I see those institutional Unions all coming together for our common causes.
     
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    Probably a good move. Now it's time to move onward.
     
  11. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    3 disagrees..... people really do hate the truth.

    I mean doesn't this post from the forums self appointed UNION cheerleader just sum it up?
    Modern UNION culture in one sentence.

    Coworkers summed up as a number relevant to his personal security.

    That is what modern UNION culture is. It is not about how can we work together to meet a common goal. It is now about how YOU can benefit ME.

    Cushions, B scales and buyout packages.

    The IAM pension.... more like the IGM pension.

    The Association, the perfect trifecta of propaganda, socialism, and social engineering.

     
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  12. paul1

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    With the combined list for title one is it safe to say usair only has about 2300 a/c mechanics. There was a usair seniority list for 2013 that show 3559 total mechanics but that was to include auto shop gse etc.
     
  13. Matt1200

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    The true up pay is confusing. I still feel that the employees and the company would have been better off receiving their new wages as of August 5th. To figure out how many hours that were due to employees is confusing. The union should have had their entire contract complete and told the company that if they wanted and needed mechanics to work on each other's aircraft that we want our contract signed. The company since has dragged their feet to get this contract done. The LUS current contract is up in 2018 and that is when we will get a new contract.
     
  14. bigjets

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    You can look at the TULE mech who said the money used for rent on PIT base, should be used on upgrades for tule and then all the mechs cheered, or you look at the dfw mechs with their current campaign. Over 300 mechs on transfers to dfw but not to worry dfw mechs are getting OT.

    Look around how many guys would stab you in back for a 4 over or solicit manager for job continence. Look at ORD engine change crew, so many guys complain and file grievances against the crews OT but nobody bids the crew. So many willing to take from other union members.

    But that's the culture, look at the retirees sueing to take our equity, remember when a junior mech would get wronged, the old union guy would say there's no fence between here and united. Closing our locals or the unions not taking a vote, forming the association.

    I am optimistic about the future though with today's management and the association. We have seemed to move away from old style of union guys.
     
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  16. OldGuy@AA

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    Let's see if we get any of it. They took 14.5% of what we were supposed to get from us and we are still waiting to get that. I expect the TWU to steal some of this from us too. They got away with it before so why not try it again? Not like we can stop them.
     
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    They did not take a dime of what's being held in trust yet. That amount is at around 80 Million right now. What they will take will be the cost in defending the suit (Winning it for us) the roadshows cost (Not much at all) and whatever the institution charged to manage and invest the money's held (for us)

    1% of 80 Million is $800,000. All those costs aren't going to come anywhere near even 1 whole percent. Not at all.

    And they will have won the case by defending it FOR US.

    Just like they won this case FOR US now.
     
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    Do you have a copy of that list or a link to it, that I could see? I'm having a little trouble with those numbers. I know there should be more than 2300, also I know it's less than 3559.

    Also the new list also has Auto shop people in it. I think at this time, everyone in PIT, in both Plant Maintenance and Auto shop have their tickets. So they would be included in the new list.
     
  19. Buck

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    OlldGuy you must be wrong? If you are correct wouldn't the membership especially at TULE stand up United and do something about it?
     
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