2015 Fleet Service thread

[AANOTOK]

Heard that company wants a quick contract but has no desire to keep catering under scope. Hope the negotiators dont horse trade these clt and phl scope.

So they are communicating...if not semi negotiationing do and don'ts.

 

[Kev3188]

US had something like that years ago but it wasnt based on cost of living it was based on the amount of flights so someone who worked at LGA made $18 while someone at EWR made $15 needless to say there were alot of unhappy people.Id rather see (which we wont) everyone making the same but maybe a few expensive cities gettig a premium

That sounds like a disaster in the making. I agree that a COLA override for places like NYC/SFO/HNL is a much better solution.

 

[wings396]

EWR was classified as a class 2 city, putting it in a lower pay grade along with several other stations. This went away with the 2008 CBA.

 

[wings396]

Heard that company wants a quick contract but has no desire to keep catering under scope. Hope the negotiators dont horse trade these clt and phl scope.

They had no problem Horse Trading over 20 cities in 2005 to keep catering, did they?

 

[WeAAsles]

EWR was classified as a class 2 city, putting it in a lower pay grade along with several other stations. This went away with the 2008 CBA.

Nah that's BS. No way should it ever be agreed that a station like EWR should be classified as lower paid. We all know that it's a high COL place and the airline would have no problem generating the revenue to pay a premium rate.

Going with flight frequency is ridiculous IMO.

 

[wings396]

I agree, but that's what our union agreed to bring to the membership. The company knew that there were more than enough people in the class 1 stations to push it thru. Just to make sure that it would pass, they added BDL & PVD to the class 1 list just a short time before the voting began. Those who were in the class 2 stations knew that they were screwed before the first vote was cast.

 

[robbedagain]

Tim. U may be correct. I've heard that company wants quick settlement but at what cost?? I don't see the need to give a dam thing up given the company's record of profits n for the foreseeable future I do not see them losing money. Certainly the fees have a huge impact on profits

 

[Albert]

Nah that's BS. No way should it ever be agreed that a station like EWR should be classified as lower paid. We all know that it's a high COL place and the airline would have no problem generating the revenue to pay a premium rate.

Going with flight frequency is ridiculous IMO.

We had a lot of crazy things. In one of our contracts  we were to take a 5% cut in pay if we went to war with Iraq, and of course we did

 

[Albert]

I agree, but that's what our union agreed to bring to the membership. The company knew that there were more than enough people in the class 1 stations to push it thru. Just to make sure that it would pass, they added BDL & PVD to the class 1 list just a short time before the voting began. Those who were in the class 2 stations knew that they were screwed before the first vote was cast.

Fast forward to the new CWA contract. The company could farm out BSO to a vendor. AA already  does, there are not enough US BSO people to make a difference in the vote. The company could easily do the same with catering

 

[robbedagain]

Al. I feel that is what will happen. Even though we shall not have to. But given that US is using vast majority of AA policies. Its probably a high probability that catering be done. When a new jcba is out

 

[AANOTOK]

 
It seems to me that most receive the latest communication from the Association, and embrace it.  Don't ask if anyone is happy, cuz everyone wants $30 right now as the CWA/IBT contract woke up the masses.  But it seems to me that most are giving the Association the benefit of the doubt at this point, as well they should imo.  
 
But I would suspect that their patience will wear out and the Association will look fairly ridiculous if the two unions can't leave ORD with a priority list of proposals and schedule the first negotiation session with the company. 
 
regards,
 

Tim,
 
They already met in ORD and came back with nothing but more meeting dates. Fort Worth Texas this week.
I'm assuming patience my be wearing out for some.
 
http://www.local591.com/docs/Association%20Bulletin%2010215.pdf

 

[Albert]

 
It seems to me that most receive the latest communication from the Association, and embrace it.  Don't ask if anyone is happy, cuz everyone wants $30 right now as the CWA/IBT contract woke up the masses.  But it seems to me that most are giving the Association the benefit of the doubt at this point, as well they should imo.  
 
But I would suspect that their patience will wear out and the Association will look fairly ridiculous if the two unions can't leave ORD with a priority list of proposals and schedule the first negotiation session with the company. 
 
regards,
 

For me I cant give an unknown entity with no track record the benefit of the doubt.All I could do is wait  and vent. There are some good guys on our negotiating team so there is some reason to hope

 

[Albert]

Tim,
 
They already met in ORD and came back with nothing but more meeting dates. Fort Worth Texas this week.
I'm assuming patience my be wearing out for some.
 
http://www.local591.com/docs/Association%20Bulletin%2010215.pdf

 Tim does this change things are you getting your pitchfork?

 

[Ramp Rogue]

I've been reading their FB page robbed and right now (They haven't read their full TA yet) they're not happy about a few items from the highlight sheet. There is a bunch of potential outsourcing language that would affect the US side of the fence. They also have an in union lower paid tier group called CAR (Customer Assistance Representative) that some of the "Red Coat" jobs will probably be replaced with? They're bringing up other multiple items that yes are very important for them to read and understand what kind of protection they may have in those areas? Medical and Part Time caps being the most important items. If the CWA can explain those two pieces I think it will pass? All of the outsourcing "Insourcing" language doesn't affect the AA side since they no longer have those jobs anyway. That side I'm sure will go for the money over retaining certain lower skilled jobs. I also like there new 5 flight a day to open cities language. That could create a lot of job opportunities if they're not all relegated to a tier 2 classification? (Something in the current CBA for US) I'm looking forward to reading their full TA to get a better guage on what direction the company wants or is attempting to head in? It looks to me that they want to bring "core" work inhouse?

On the BASE rates money that's the easy part. The company will find ways to subsidize some of that pay in efficiencies to the operation. I'm very curious to see if UAL raises the bar by a few more percents? We're currently staring at 3% above DL. Maybe UAL will add another 3 or 4% and we can get back to the 7% language talked about. Being the last to the table usually gets you the scraps. But this time it seems to be going the opposite way on that one.

Make no mistake that there is a ceiling out there somewhere. We absolutely want to be very careful in trying to reach it and not shoot so high that we bump our heads and knock ourselves out. What's the line in poker? Got to know when to walk away from the table with your winnings.

What is there FB page under?

 

[WeAAsles]

What is there FB page under?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/525504680852257/