2015 Fleet Service thread

[Tim Nelson]

And most of your arguments are a strawman dating Cinderella who has a chapped ass Tim. And uh where do you keep getting this $32.00 per hour from Tim? It's $29.27 not counting shift differential or longevity.

Oh and Peterson is in Maintenance BTW. You and I are not. Different room, different people.

Hard to understand what you are talking about but the $32 is a contractual number in their TA. I think it is DOS + 36. Unlike you, myself and others look at the entire agreement and not just the upfront grab. It doesn't matter where G Peterson is. He is a negotiator on the MX side. We used to have a single joint update but since they are now targeting a MX negotiator, we have splintered off into two different updates. That is disappointing. I think you are wrong to support that. Whatever the issues are with Peterson, slamming a member who is in negotiations is in poor taste, especially when one makes him the scapegoat for the unnecessary delays. Other unions had the same issues with reconciliation, and the CWA had a election, but those unions weren't squabbling and delaying like the Association is.

regards

 

[Tim Nelson]

So if he feels that his Station could be in jeopardy and wants to advocate that people pay attention to that you now have a problem because of all the money sitting on the table?

C'mon Cybil. I thought you were an advocate for the small stations. Oh that's right. You're in a big one now. My bad.

huh? Did you even read the CWA contract? If his station went down to 2 flights a day, he wouldn't be in jeopardy under that contract since it has the grandfather rights I spoke ofto make sure all of our current members are not asked to involuntarily displace. It's the same grandfather language in the old NW contract. Carefully review the CWA agreement and you will see that all the current employees in the smaller stations [less than 35 flights a week] will be able to stay with grandfather rights. And they will also enjoy the same $$$ as well.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Hard to understand what you are talking about but the $32 is a contractual number in their TA. I think it is DOS + 36. Unlike you, myself and others look at the entire agreement and not just the upfront grab.

Timmy Timmy Timmy. Trying to portray a higher upfront rate to push the agenda of mass desperation. That smells more of scoundrel even for your normal emphasis to be noticed.

And you don't even know how to read contracts from the last time we engaged against each other. It would be much nicer for you I'm sure if the language came with pictures, but it doesn't.
 

It doesn't matter where G Peterson is. He is a negotiator on the MX side. We used to have a single joint update but since they are now targeting a MX negotiator, we have splintered off into two different updates. That is disappointing. I think you are wrong to support that. Whatever the issues are with Peterson, slamming a member who is in negotiations is in poor taste, especially when one makes him the scapegoat for the unnecessary delays. Other unions had the same issues with reconciliation, and the CWA had a election, but those unions weren't squabbling and delaying like the Association is.

Josh

So still trying to portray yourself as someone having a "Palantir" into what's actually going on inside those hollowed halls behind marble doors? You have ZERO insight into anything at all because no one would ever trust you to give you any real information. Occasionally you are fed something false though to see you run around for others amusement.

I personally don't think it's nice to play with such a weak mind and have made that pretty clear.

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[WeAAsles]

huh? Did you even read the CWA contract? If his station went down to 2 flights a day, he wouldn't be in jeopardy under that contract since it has the grandfather rights I spoke ofto make sure all of our current members are not asked to involuntarily displace. It's the same grandfather language in the old NW contract. Carefully review the CWA agreement and you will see that all the current employees in the smaller stations [less than 35 flights a week] will be able to stay with grandfather rights. And they will also enjoy the same $$$ as well.

regards,

Really Timmy? You want to explain what the meaning of a Class 1 and a Class 2 city is? And I haven't even read the agreement that the CWA has yet. I just found this while skimming off the top.

Here you go. Start learning how to read a contract if you want to become your District President. It's important to understand the verbiage man.

Regards.

http://american-agents.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2015/10/Article_3_Recognition_Scope.pdf

 

[Tim Nelson]

Really Timmy? You want to explain what the meaning of a Class 1 and a Class 2 city is? And I haven't even read the agreement that the CWA has yet. I just found this while skimming off the top.

Here you go. Start learning how to read a contract if you want to become your District President. It's important to understand the verbiage man.

Regards.

http://american-agents.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2015/10/Article_3_Recognition_Scope.pdf

Class 1 and Class 2 is much better than what the TWU or IAM have now. It's a lot better than our Class 1 and Class 2 definitions in the IAM contract. We only have 33 stations under contract. If we used the scope from the CWA contract we would have around 70. And the stations in the CWA contract that aren't Class 1 or Class 2 are still protected with grandfather rights. So what is your problem? I always want more scope and having a lot more stations seems fine to me.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Class 1 and Class 2 is much better than what the TWU or IAM have now. It's a lot better than our Class 1 and Class 2 definitions in the IAM contract. We only have 33 stations under contract. If we used the scope from the CWA contract we would have around 70. And the stations in the CWA contract that aren't Class 1 or Class 2 are still protected with grandfather rights. So what is your problem? I always want more scope and having a lot more stations seems fine to me.

regards,

Regards, or Tim, or Josh, or well?

When did I say that I didn't like the idea of some out of the box thinking? But there are a lot of people who aren't exactly fans of out of the box thinking and don't agree with diluting the rates or as they think putting in a foothold for different scales in different locations.

For me I'd have no problem with a grandfather clause in cities already under contract if the revenue generated from that location is weak (Only if there is proven weakness in revenue) and from there opening up other cities chained to the Cost of Living Index but with a modest premium to reflect it being a Union job. I'd absolutely prefer to have those cities and extra cities be in house and under contract with the ability of members to be able to transfer in to those locations even if it could mean a cut in pay for that choice as read. So yes I agree with you that 70 Stations would be much more preferable than 33 even if those additions come with a catch.

Now watch how fast people will disagree.

Salutations

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW Tim you may want to add yourself to one or more of those PSA FB pages that are out there and feel a little bit of the pulse on things. Those people are not exactly jumping up and down for joy about this TA now that it's been revealed in it's entirety.

They're starting to dissect and disseminate and they're finding quite a bit of trap doors on the floorboards. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Regards, or Tim, or Josh, or well?
When did I say that I didn't like the idea of some out of the box thinking? But there are a lot of people who aren't exactly fans of out of the box thinking and don't agree with diluting the rates or as they think putting in a foothold for different scales in different locations.
For me I'd have no problem with a grandfather clause in cities already under contract if the revenue generated from that location is weak (Only if there is proven weakness in revenue) and from there opening up other cities chained to the Cost of Living Index but with a modest premium to reflect it being a Union job. I'd absolutely prefer to have those cities and extra cities be in house and under contract with the ability of members to be able to transfer in to those locations even if it could mean a cut in pay for that choice as read. So yes I agree with you that 70 Stations would be much more preferable than 33 even if those additions come with a catch.
Now watch how fast people will disagree.
Salutations

i didnt see different rates in the same classification.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

BTW Tim you may want to add yourself to one or more of those PSA FB pages that are out there and feel a little bit of the pulse on things. Those people are not exactly jumping up and down for joy about this TA now that it's been revealed in it's entirety.
They're starting to dissect and disseminate and they're finding quite a bit of trap doors on the floorboards.

considering that 70% of them dont have a contract, they would be nuts to turn it down since management can do whatever it wants to them.

That said, gotta love those outspoken folks who point out the deficiencies of the contract but im almost certain it will pass by huge margins based on the folks ive talked to in ord.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Really Timmy? You want to explain what the meaning of a Class 1 and a Class 2 city is? And I haven't even read the agreement that the CWA has yet. I just found this while skimming off the top.
Here you go. Start learning how to read a contract if you want to become your District President. It's important to understand the verbiage man.
Regards.http://american-agents.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2015/10/Article_3_Recognition_Scope.pdf

you are running for office so i see you tuned it down a bit. Since you are now politically correct and working for the Club, ill go ahead and say it, ie, the fleet service association letter is intellectually dishonest as it is lying about petersen holding up this association. Remdmber, there was no intervener and no appeal regarding our association, only the MX association.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

i didnt see different rates in the same classification.

regards,

Tim do your homework and look at their current CBA that shows the payscales. They have multiple rates including CARS and Mid Atlantic Region.

Many are not paid that great wage and they also allow for others to do their work including Fleet and management.

 

[WeAAsles]

considering that 70% of them dont have a contract, they would be nuts to turn it down since management can do whatever it wants to them.

That said, gotta love those outspoken folks who point out the deficiencies of the contract but im almost certain it will pass by huge margins based on the folks ive talked to in ord.

regards,

You hit the nail on the head on that first comment but I'm not so sure that they'll all see it that way or really understand? There are AA people on those FB pages also screaming vote no.

 

[WeAAsles]

you are running for office so i see you tuned it down a bit. Since you are now politically correct and working for the Club, ill go ahead and say it, ie, the fleet service association letter is intellectually dishonest as it is lying about petersen holding up this association. Remdmber, there was no intervener and no appeal regarding our association, only the MX association.

regards,

I am running on a slate (One of many) for Executive Board for TWU Local 568. That's the bottom rung of the ladder Tim. I'm certainly not aiming for the stars like yourself.

Peterson absolutely did hold up the process and the NMB from making their decision otherwise as was pointed out it wouldn't have taken 9 months for that to arrive. Is he holding anything up now (In Maintenance) ?? You and I again are not in maintenance, and I doubt it anyway. BUT the NMB did again wait to rule for the entirety of the Association and not single out groups. 9 to almost 10 months with that one. The NMB needed to do their due diligence before releasing their ruling. 

But I think what amazes me the most about you Tim is that you believe your own Union to be a group of liars over any and all Company mouthpieces. Your Union gives you their own updates including a special one by Mark Baskette that he was generous enough to let us share to all and here you are throwing stones at ALL of them. You want to run for PRESIDENT of your District and you believe the COMPANY over your UNION, smh. Sorry if it disturbs you that I just don't look at things the same way as you. I'll believe what my Union tells me thank you very much.

And Tim try not to use PC terms yourself such as "intellectually dishonest" Have some guts and spit it out like you really mean to. You believe that your Union and the people who represent all of you are a group of LIARS. Just say it man.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim do your homework and look at their current CBA that shows the payscales. They have multiple rates including CARS and Mid Atlantic Region.
Many are not paid that great wage and they also allow for others to do their work including Fleet and management.

i thought we were talking about the ta? The current contract only has a top out of $21

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

You hit the nail on the head on that first comment but I'm not so sure that they'll all see it that way or really understand? There are AA people on those FB pages also screaming vote no.

i hear ya. Good for them.

regards,