2015 Fleet Service thread

[Tim Nelson]

I am running on a slate (One of many) for Executive Board for TWU Local 568. That's the bottom rung of the ladder Tim. I'm certainly not aiming for the stars like yourself.
Peterson absolutely did hold up the process and the NMB from making their decision otherwise as was pointed out it wouldn't have taken 9 months for that to arrive. Is he holding anything up now (In Maintenance) ?? You and I again are not in maintenance, and I doubt it anyway. BUT the NMB did again wait to rule for the entirety of the Association and not single out groups. 9 to almost 10 months with that one. The NMB needed to do their due diligence before releasing their ruling. 
But I think what amazes me the most about you Tim is that you believe your own Union to be a group of liars over any and all Company mouthpieces. Your Union gives you their own updates including a special one by Mark Baskette that he was generous enough to let us share to all and here you are throwing stones at ALL of them. You want to run for PRESIDENT of your District and you believe the COMPANY over your UNION, smh. Sorry if it disturbs you that I just don't look at things the same way as you. I'll believe what my Union tells me thank you very much.
And Tim try not to use PC terms yourself such as "intellectually dishonest" Have some guts and spit it out like you really mean to. You believe that your Union and the people who represent all of you are a group of LIARS. Just say it man.

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Oh most certainly the iam has lied out its arse with United. Big difference normally between basketts views which he says are his alone, and the official updates. I havent seen anything from him that was questionable. That said, its time to negotiate.

I go by actions, not by what someone says. Parker has credibility with Delta + 3 basedon his actions. The union only has offered lip service.

If u believe everything ur union says then thats disappointing.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

i thought we were talking about the ta? The current contract only has a top out of $21
regards,

No Tim. Read all of the payscales. You have to look at the whole picture.

 

[WeAAsles]

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Oh most certainly the iam has lied out its arse with United. Big difference normally between basketts views which he says are his alone, and the official updates. I havent seen anything from him that was questionable. That said, its time to negotiate.
I go by actions, not by what someone says. Parker has credibility with Delta + 3 basedon his actions. The union only has offered lip service.
If u believe everything ur union says then thats disappointing.
regards,

You're calling Sito a liar Tim. That's the reality I see since he's in charge of the Association.

Isnt he going to technically be your head cheese (after your members) if you win the position you're seeking?

 

[robbedagain]

What happened at UA certainly shall not happen at AA. Lessons taught at UA need to learned by ALL members at AA. Company making dough, projected to make more time to enhance scope protect and enhance what we have now n learn from past mistakes

 

[Tim Nelson]

You're calling Sito a liar Tim. That's the reality I see since he's in charge of the Association.
Isnt he going to technically be your head cheese (after your members) if you win the position you're seeking?

it was a bull S"::t update. I dont always agree with Sito. I thought he did us good with the stand alone contract but the update is all bull s"""t. I call it how i see it.

The question is, can you call it bull? Obviosly, it was a political update due to amfa but the mx association didnt have the balls or support to put out the letter dogging peterson so they used the fleet service association as a tool.

Sorry, me and you disagree. I expect an update saying they are finally prepared, not some barbie tantrum over some mechanic.

regards,

regards

 

[WeAAsles]

it was a bull S"::t update. I dont always agree with Sito. I thought he did us good with the stand alone contract but the update is all bull s"""t. I call it how i see it.
The question is, can you call it bull? Obviosly, it was a political update due to amfa but the mx association didnt have the balls or support to put out the letter dogging peterson so they used the fleet service association as a tool.
Sorry, me and you disagree. I expect an update saying they are finally prepared, not some barbie tantrum over some mechanic.
regards,
regards

I'll admit normally Barbie tantrums chap my arse as much as Josh and the Straw man making dates with Cindy who is normally held in high regards.

But on that last one I think I'll put on my smoking jacket, light me some scented candles and put some Bobby Darrin on my turntable.

It's chill man. Too cool chill. No need to run for Mothers little helper here.

 

[ograc]

From your perspective based in JAX I can apprehend why you aren't bothered that it could take months or more.

regards,

 
Spot on perception Tim. I am fortunate enough to be close to retirement. I, like yourself, have been in this industry long enough to know that it has changed dramatically. We now work for major corporations who view our jobs as a liability. As long as this is the belief and the agenda the company brings forth into negotiations... they can wait! Respectfully... for the record. I believe I speak for many other than myself. At this stage my concerns are for the employees, newly hired or up to many years of service, who will be adversely affected with failure to obtain strong scope language in the future joint agreement. I'm sure you would agree; you must protect existing work. I do agree it's time to get things started. Time to Lock and Load!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Spot on perception Tim. I am fortunate eno to retirement. I, like yourself, have been in this industry long enough to know that it has changed dramatically. We now work for major corporations who view our jobs as a liability. As long as this is the belief and the agenda the company brings forth into negotiations... they can wait! Respectfully... for the record. I believe I speak for many other than myself. At this stage my concerns are for the employees, newly hired or up to many years of service, who will be adversely affected with failure to obtain strong scope language in the future joint agreement. I'm sure you would agree; you must protect existing work. I do agree it's time to get things started. Time to Lock and Load!

Im hoping we can get more than grandfather rights for current stations and also hoping rsw opens up. Speaking for myself, scope then healthcare are must keeps.

regards,

 

[Kev3188]

Any backslide on Scope should be first ridiculed, then swiftly dismissed.

There is NO excuse for it in this current era.

 

[topDawg]

Any backslide on Scope should be first ridiculed, then swiftly dismissed.

There is NO excuse for it in this current era.

no kidding. I have no idea why some people are willing to take scope concessions when their company is making 6+ Billion!

 

[WeAAsles]

no kidding. I have no idea why some people are willing to take scope concessions when their company is making 6+ Billion!

Unfortunately it looks like the CWA littered their TA with SCOPE concessions. Again I'm watching them read all sorts of trap doors in that language.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CWAIBTcontracttalk/

 

[ograc]

Unfortunately it looks like the CWA littered their TA with SCOPE concessions. Again I'm watching them read all sorts of trap doors in that language.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CWAIBTcontracttalk/

 
The Devil; as always, is in the details. They will run the same play until it is rejected by the membership.
 

 

[wings396]

While the CWA is caving on scope in some areas, keep in mind that they are keeping ALL of the out stations as well as getting several back in house. On top of that, no jobs are going to be lost due to the relaxed scope in regard to the SAR work. The day that the fleet group can even come close to keeping, or getting jobs back at the same level will have me amazed.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Unfortunately it looks like the CWA littered their TA with SCOPE concessions. Again I'm watching them read all sorts of trap doors in that language.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/CWAIBTcontracttalk/

This is the first contract for 70% of the cwa. With recognition in all stations with 5 flights or more, plus with grandfather rights for stations with less than 5 flights, how did they lesson scope? Thousands of jobs had no scope prior, even the redcoats.

I think if our members could get any station with 5 flights and also grandfather in lesser stations then our members will probably figure thats alot better than only having 17 stations.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

While the CWA is caving on scope in some areas, keep in mind that they are keeping ALL of the out stations as well as getting several back in house. On top of that, no jobs are going to be lost due to the relaxed scope in regard to the SAR work. The day that the fleet group can even come close to keeping, or getting jobs back at the same level will have me amazed.

getting the assist work in scope is better than not getting it in scope. Assist peeps arenot trained and qualified like csa. I think weaasles is suggesting wheelchair pushers and kiosk assisters should be making $29.27.

But that is a different classification. Much like utility and a a&P mechanic. It would be nuts to pay utility the same as a mechanic.

regards,