2015 Fleet Service thread

[dfw gen]

Not a bad response. But we don't know what direction our talks will ultimately end up at, so we don't know about Grandfathering just yet. 

And I highlighted your last comment because absolutely that needs to stand. The CWA TA does not have PT caps and we currently do in both contracts. If we were to receive a TA removing caps that would absolutely get a NO vote from me.

 

first we have to actually get to the table......

 

[WeAAsles]

I couldn't ever bargain for less wages for those of us working in smaller stations. It's a slippery slope WeAAsles and it happened before at LUS. Most of our stations were on a Tier 2 pay scale and it caused tons of division within our union. Hubs don't get away with screwing non hub members. The company picks a favorite son in the first contract, then a few years down the road, the company picks the new favorite son that hammeres the first. At US AIRWAYS, the hubs got screwed over and only got a partial raise when all the class 2 stations and PHX hub outnumbered the Class 1 LUS station vote and voted for our 2008 agreement. A game of division. And at United, they have expanded to 18 stations now that have IAM members with reduced wages and benefits and have split shifts. Those stations had a gun to their head but they are very upset about it. I believe a union can be stronger than that.

regards,

Well it seems like that's what your seeing in the CWA TA Tim? People are going to be re-positioned in the small stations if the TA passes. A few lost functions will create overages when the CARS group takes over and the outsourcing of BSO will force people to have to make a choice. Either they move to protect their TOS rates or they'll be forced to move down into CARS. But it does seem like a Granfathering for more senior people. As those people either leave or retire they will be replaced by the lower CARS group. 

Eventually most small cities will have nothing left but CARS who will be at $19.00 by the end of the contract.

Since we have current contracts on both sides (Unlike the agents) I also firmly believe our groups can do a lot better.

 

[WeAAsles]

TWU folks don't get it, yet. I've tried to tell WeAAsles that the IAMPF is the most sacred that drives everything else. The IAMPF sucks balls as it robs its members like all of us fleet service when it stole 40% of our future benefits. Now, with the new law passed, those SOB's can haunt its retirees as well. It's a real scandal and for members like me who are not shills for the IAM, it is very very clear. These SOB's rob the members, dammit, and still have not negotiated ANY company contributions into my 401k pocket. I damn sure don't want any increases going into the IAMPF pocket. Rat Bastrrds. It isn't guaranteed and it could all be gone if the dumb arse pension ends up in the red again.

regards,

Tim you haven't had to "try" and tell me anything when it comes to the IAMPF or Multi Employer Pensions. Also our guys on the TWU side are very healthily versed on the subject as well.

I do wish you luck in your advocacy on this issue.

 

[robbedagain]

I understand that the way the pension goes is that only 1.15 of each hour ur scheduled to work n work it goes into the IAMPF. But if u do OT or pick up swaps it doesn't count towards it. Is that accurate? If so I think changes can be made there too

 

[WeAAsles]

I understand that the way the pension goes is that only 1.15 of each hour ur scheduled to work n work it goes into the IAMPF. But if u do OT or pick up swaps it doesn't count towards it. Is that accurate? If so I think changes can be made there too

The one thing that I think I have to agree with Tim on Robbed is that I don't think you will be given a choice to get out of the IAMPF if that's what you would chose in exchange for the 401k match? 

I do hope I'm wrong on that though? Everyone should be given a choice on how they want their retirement funds to be invested. If I were (doubt it) to be forced into the fund I absolutely would raise my 401k to make up for the 5.5% match if that were lost.

I'm not 100% turned away from the idea of joining the fund if it's offered to me as a choice? I do know and understand the risk and I also know that there is no absolute guarantee in anything we invest in including our 401k or even putting all of our money under a mattress.

When the time comes I'll do some more research, listen to what the people who want to sell it to me have to say, check their facts and figures and then decide what I want to do?  

 

[robbedagain]

No I like to keep it plus have a 401k. But the way it currently is now is that nothing is going in it if we do pick up OT or shift swaps. Only ur 40 hrs or however many u work is when money is put in

 

[WeAAsles]

No I like to keep it plus have a 401k. But the way it currently is now is that nothing is going in it if we do pick up OT or shift swaps. Only ur 40 hrs or however many u work is when money is put in

 
Robbed do you know if there is anyone, in any industry who is a part of the IAMPF that has OT or extra hours worked counted towards their accumulations for payout?

And you do have a 401K plan. You just don't "currently" have a match. You can put into your 401 and every extra amount worked counts towards the percentage you elected. For me currently that number is 20% (plus the 5.5%)

You guys already recently went from about $20.00 per hour, to $24.00 per hour. And now you're staring down the barrel of almost $30.00 per hour. Those raises by percentage are incredible. If you're still able to manage on what you were making when this journey started, you have a hell of a lot you can put in to your retirement accounts.

Putting in the highest percentage you possibly can also gives you some great wiggle room if you need to modify because you had some kind of life event.    

 

[robbedagain]

I personally put about 10% of my pay into 401K. I'd like to see company match. I don't know bout the first one bro

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok I know that this is maintenance related but we still need to know the answer to a new burning question? How much does this new rate take them above the TOP Delta rate? 

Did UAL just raise the bar again?

Negotiated by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the revised contract would increase wages by 25% for United's highest-paid technicians, to $46.15 per hour, according to Reuters. It would also offer a $100,000 buyout for some workers as well as furlough protection.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13336486/1/united-continental-ual-stock-jumps-on-tentative-deal-with-mechanics-union.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

 

[T5towbar]

Ok I know that this is maintenance related but we still need to know the answer to a new burning question? How much does this new rate take them above the TOP Delta rate? 

Did UAL just raise the bar again?

Negotiated by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the revised contract would increase wages by 25% for United's highest-paid technicians, to $46.15 per hour, according to Reuters. It would also offer a $100,000 buyout for some workers as well as furlough protection.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13336486/1/united-continental-ual-stock-jumps-on-tentative-deal-with-mechanics-union.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

Our MX was coming towards a TA just recently, until the DL (and the AA) announcements came which "reset" things. I guess this is the product of it. 
Haven't read the TA, so I can't comment on it. If all agreed and is ratified, only the FA's (which have their own issues - WORK RULES & SENIORITY) needs to be ironed out. I don't know that the monetary and compensation issues are, but everyone knows that the AFA can't get the three sides - sUA/sCO/Air Mike together on those two issues.)
 
On another front, Klemm is supposed to be doing road shows next month, and I would love to ask him some questions on how the District is going to open up talks with the company next year. I have a couple of great suggestions...........one called SCOPE!!!!!!!!

 

[Kev3188]

Ok I know that this is maintenance related but we still need to know the answer to a new burning question? How much does this new rate take them above the TOP Delta rate? 
Did UAL just raise the bar again?
Negotiated by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the revised contract would increase wages by 25% for United's highest-paid technicians, to $46.15 per hour, according to Reuters. It would also offer a $100,000 buyout for some workers as well as furlough protection.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13336486/1/united-continental-ual-stock-jumps-on-tentative-deal-with-mechanics-union.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

DL base rate for AMTs will be $41.14 effective 12/1... That doesn't include license premium(s), shift differential, etc.

Is this UAL figure base rate only, or an "all in" number?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well it seems like that's what your seeing in the CWA TA Tim? People are going to be re-positioned in the small stations if the TA passes. A few lost functions will create overages when the CARS group takes over and the outsourcing of BSO will force people to have to make a choice. Either they move to protect their TOS rates or they'll be forced to move down into CARS. But it does seem like a Granfathering for more senior people. As those people either leave or retire they will be replaced by the lower CARS group. 
Eventually most small cities will have nothing left but CARS who will be at $19.00 by the end of the contract.
Since we have current contracts on both sides (Unlike the agents) I also firmly believe our groups can do a lot better.

not sure i read it the way you conclude it.

At any rate, i wish them the best. My gripe with our union is that they should have scheduled negotiations already. The fact that they didnt, suggest they are digging in for the long haul. Risky indeed when the environment is presently a most opportunistic sunny and 70.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Kev,
While it appears that the iam organizing is dead on the ramp, do u think there are possibilities or opportunities for another union to finish what the iam couldnt at delta?

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

The one thing that I think I have to agree with Tim on Robbed is that I don't think you will be given a choice to get out of the IAMPF if that's what you would chose in exchange for the 401k match? 
I do hope I'm wrong on that though? Everyone should be given a choice on how they want their retirement funds to be invested. If I were (doubt it) to be forced into the fund I absolutely would raise my 401k to make up for the 5.5% match if that were lost.
I'm not 100% turned away from the idea of joining the fund if it's offered to me as a choice? I do know and understand the risk and I also know that there is no absolute guarantee in anything we invest in including our 401k or even putting all of our money under a mattress.
When the time comes I'll do some more research, listen to what the people who want to sell it to me have to say, check their facts and figures and then decide what I want to do?

Although i fully understand the iampf is a scandal, it isnt going anywhere for LUS. And i guarantee our negotiators will make sure more money goes into that pit for the iam before agreeing to have increased contributions going into my 401 from the company. Its wrong for a union to continually refuse to negotiate the 3 prong retirement.

regards,

 

[charlie Brown]

Although i fully understand the iampf is a scandal, it isnt going anywhere for LUS. And i guarantee our negotiators will make sure more money goes into that pit for the iam before agreeing to have increased contributions going into my 401 from the company. Its wrong for a union to continually refuse to negotiate the 3 prong retirement.
regards,

My hope is is that we get both. Even though some people don't like the pension and I understand about what happened, and while what congress passed is a concern and needs consideration, the pension and adding to it is a huge issue to the majority of our members. The negotiating team is not there for what they personally want, but what the members tell us they want.