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AANOTOK said:
In my opinion, it's already been eff'd up. Since Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr...you get the picture.
 
Speaking of that... there seems to be much confusion on when the DL 141 By Law Referendum Vote will take place. I am confused and I am engaged. How do you engage more members with this embarrassing performance by the District? Much confusion.   
 
 
Tim Nelson said:
thats a safe assumption given this is their business.

Look, if they eff this up by playing a high risks game then i suggest we leave the association and go with either/or. Until then we have to hope that the Association leaders get off the fence and take a seat at the table.

regards,
The NMB ruled for the ASS so the ASS it will be . What  can a dues payer actually do to get things rolling? This has been a total debacle from get go Parker said during the summer we could have contracts by the new year, now we are lucky to even get to the table by then. Figure a june contract so we will all be out around 6 grand.
 
Thoughts?

The IAM negotiators were able to (temporarily) secure station staffing for 1 flight per day to keep a city open. The language basically reads "Until a JCBA is reached" That tells me something about intent. It doesn't appear that the company intended to agree to that being a permanent fixture for the total collective. Now what I'm wondering is are some negotiators maybe shy about getting into the room against the company because they know the company will want to modify that staffing language? Are they afraid of the ghost of the UAL deal? Would they feel their own Political positions could be in jeopardy if a deal was struck with the company that reduced some of those stations (Maybe opening others at the same time though)?

My thoughts are that stringing this along and not making plans to sit down with the company is unfair to the around 15000 clerks waiting for that movement. Is it fair to leave 15000 people high and dry so a few hundred can stay in the cities they want to be in? No, it isn't. I also think if we strike a deal the station staffing language that we have over on the TWU side will be modified and open up opportunities for cities that have been closed for a long time and maybe some of those old timers can get to go HOME as well?

Now this is not meant to be a knock but this is pointing out the facts as I believe I understand them.

The IAM AGC's (Negotiators) are paid by both the District and their International. They make a flat rate (Salary) that doesn't change if their members get a raise I'm sure there is a way they can get raises but again it's not predicated on any salary increases for the members.

The possibility of some type of reduction in station staffing language may be a hard pill to swallow because again that specter of the UAL deal? Could some individuals want to avoid any risk to their Political (Paid) positions through that possible change? 

Now the TWU Presidents make a salary (Stipend) paid directly from the members of their Local. I'm going to take one President I know who's on the negotiating committee currently from what I saw on the LM2's for his position. He makes a stipend of $500.00 per month for his position. That's an extra $6000.00 per year (Yes I'm talking about money so sue me) I can make more than that with OT and CS's easy. That $5.00 per hour thought lingering out there would increase EVERY TWU Presidents salary by $10,000 per year. (Those people have a motivation for wanting to strike a deal with the company)

The other item is out station staffing on the TWU side (Bankruptcy driven) If there is a modification to our language it most assuredly will open stations that were lost to us in the past. There was a list of stations that Parker said he wouldn't close if the merger had happened before the Judge ruled. That was quite a substantial number of cities as I remember. I have a feeling that all of those will be brought back home creating multiple opportunities for ALL?

30 cities to be exact.

And yes I know that many of them are already currently IAM staffed but there were more lost in the past too.

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf



So what I see from my perspective is that at least one Union may have more of an emphasis to get the talks started then perhaps another one does personally? I hope that I'm wrong and we hear something soon, but I'm not getting that indication just yet.

 
 
How many jobs is non union Delta outsourcing with their nice pay raise in December?
 
Delta subsidizes having all of those Stations through their "Ready Reserve" program. That FACT does not change. So I won't put a gauge on how many "REAL" Stations they actually have?

$12.00 per hour with no benefits to me does not a Station make............................
 
Yep already know that. But since their last payscale formula to the raise in Dececember no station is getting outsourced or forced ready reserves. As it should be for an industry with billion dollar profits. Should be the same for AA.
 
Black Magic said:
Yep already know that. But since their last payscale formula to the raise in Dececember no station is getting outsourced or forced ready reserves. As it should be for an industry with billion dollar profits. Should be the same for AA.
Ok but again do we know how much they're paying for their medical expenses? What is their monthly costs and more importantly what are their deductibles and prescription expenses?

As far as the Station staffing it's absolutely better from a management standpoint to keep that work under their control as much as possible. Do any of us really know if Delta is increasing their RR numbers? Are opportunities to get out of that program becoming few and far between?

I'd love to be able to see those numbers?  
 
WeAAsles said:
Thoughts?

The IAM negotiators were able to (temporarily) secure station staffing for 1 flight per day to keep a city open. The language basically reads "Until a JCBA is reached" That tells me something about intent. It doesn't appear that the company intended to agree to that being a permanent fixture for the total collective. Now what I'm wondering is are some negotiators maybe shy about getting into the room against the company because they know the company will want to modify that staffing language? Are they afraid of the ghost of the UAL deal? Would they feel their own Political positions could be in jeopardy if a deal was struck with the company that reduced some of those stations (Maybe opening others at the same time though)?

My thoughts are that stringing this along and not making plans to sit down with the company is unfair to the around 15000 clerks waiting for that movement. Is it fair to leave 15000 people high and dry so a few hundred can stay in the cities they want to be in? No, it isn't. I also think if we strike a deal the station staffing language that we have over on the TWU side will be modified and open up opportunities for cities that have been closed for a long time and maybe some of those old timers can get to go HOME as well?

Now this is not meant to be a knock but this is pointing out the facts as I believe I understand them.

The IAM AGC's (Negotiators) are paid by both the District and their International. They make a flat rate (Salary) that doesn't change if their members get a raise I'm sure there is a way they can get raises but again it's not predicated on any salary increases for the members.

The possibility of some type of reduction in station staffing language may be a hard pill to swallow because again that specter of the UAL deal? Could some individuals want to avoid any risk to their Political (Paid) positions through that possible change? 

Now the TWU Presidents make a salary (Stipend) paid directly from the members of their Local. I'm going to take one President I know who's on the negotiating committee currently from what I saw on the LM2's for his position. He makes a stipend of $500.00 per month for his position. That's an extra $6000.00 per year (Yes I'm talking about money so sue me) I can make more than that with OT and CS's easy. That $5.00 per hour thought lingering out there would increase EVERY TWU Presidents salary by $10,000 per year. (Those people have a motivation for wanting to strike a deal with the company)

The other item is out station staffing on the TWU side (Bankruptcy driven) If there is a modification to our language it most assuredly will open stations that were lost to us in the past. There was a list of stations that Parker said he wouldn't close if the merger had happened before the Judge ruled. That was quite a substantial number of cities as I remember. I have a feeling that all of those will be brought back home creating multiple opportunities for ALL?

30 cities to be exact.

And yes I know that many of them are already currently IAM staffed but there were more lost in the past too.

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf



So what I see from my perspective is that at least one Union may have more of an emphasis to get the talks started then perhaps another one does personally? I hope that I'm wrong and we hear something soon, but I'm not getting that indication just yet.

 
Just a byproduct of this so called Association some were so excited about. Just a rumor of it had many of us
warning the masses, and we were criticized. I will say it again, I'm sure only to get criticized, nothing good
will come of this mess other than maybe a nice pay raise "falling" into the laps of the members.
 
Mike, where are you??
 
By the way, I like me crow barbecued if I must eat it. How about you folks, smoked, fried...??
 
Only the AGCs and GCs are paid by the District and International, not the regular members, all of the NC arent GCs or AGCs and just get their regular normal US salary.
 
AANOTOK said:
Just a byproduct of this so called Association some were so excited about. Just a rumor of it had many of us
warning the masses, and we were criticized. I will say it again, I'm sure only to get criticized, nothing good
will come of this mess other than maybe a nice pay raise "falling" into the laps of the members.
 
Mike, where are you??

Still not quite ready to modify my position. Basic tenant still applies, "Unions should not fight Unions"

And I very highly doubt that the Association will be going anywhere in the future IMO so there's no point in continuing to gripe about it.

But at the moment it is underwhelming me truthfully.  
 
700UW said:
Only the AGCs and GCs are paid by the District and International, not the regular members, all of the NC arent GCs or AGCs and just get their regular normal US salary.
So let's hope that the one's who are on the negotiating committee who will be affected financially want to get this show on the road and are conveying that message to the top brass?
 
AANOTOK said:
By the way, I like me crow barbecued if I must eat it. How about you folks, smoked, fried...??
 
Definitely BBQ'd. Just like my bologna. Center cut baby!!
 
WeAAsles said:
Still not quite ready to modify my position. Basic tenant still applies, "Unions should not fight Unions"

And I very highly doubt that the Association will be going anywhere in the future IMO so there's no point in continuing to gripe about it.

But at the moment it is underwhelming me truthfully.  
I hope your wrong W, but you're probably right. Having said that, I will continue to "gripe" about it as silence
will not change a thing. One voice or a thousand normally works better than silence.
Funny thing is, I'm normally a sit on his hands type of guy, but when I know something is wrong, I do voice
my opinion very very strongly....
 

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