2015 Fleet Service thread

[Kev3188]

Ok but again do we know how much they're paying for their medical expenses? What is their monthly costs and more importantly what are their deductibles and prescription expenses?

As far as the Station staffing it's absolutely better from a management standpoint to keep that work under their control as much as possible. Do any of us really know if Delta is increasing their RR numbers? Are opportunities to get out of that program becoming few and far between?

I'd love to be able to see those numbers?  

Definitely on the increase from what I see...

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

Blackened fried bologna...the only way!

 
Damn Bubba! Dat sound good!

 

[Albert]

Thoughts?

The IAM negotiators were able to (temporarily) secure station staffing for 1 flight per day to keep a city open. The language basically reads "Until a JCBA is reached" That tells me something about intent. It doesn't appear that the company intended to agree to that being a permanent fixture for the total collective. Now what I'm wondering is are some negotiators maybe shy about getting into the room against the company because they know the company will want to modify that staffing language? Are they afraid of the ghost of the UAL deal? Would they feel their own Political positions could be in jeopardy if a deal was struck with the company that reduced some of those stations (Maybe opening others at the same time though)?

My thoughts are that stringing this along and not making plans to sit down with the company is unfair to the around 15000 clerks waiting for that movement. Is it fair to leave 15000 people high and dry so a few hundred can stay in the cities they want to be in? No, it isn't. I also think if we strike a deal the station staffing language that we have over on the TWU side will be modified and open up opportunities for cities that have been closed for a long time and maybe some of those old timers can get to go HOME as well?

Now this is not meant to be a knock but this is pointing out the facts as I believe I understand them.

The IAM AGC's (Negotiators) are paid by both the District and their International. They make a flat rate (Salary) that doesn't change if their members get a raise I'm sure there is a way they can get raises but again it's not predicated on any salary increases for the members.

The possibility of some type of reduction in station staffing language may be a hard pill to swallow because again that specter of the UAL deal? Could some individuals want to avoid any risk to their Political (Paid) positions through that possible change? 

Now the TWU Presidents make a salary (Stipend) paid directly from the members of their Local. I'm going to take one President I know who's on the negotiating committee currently from what I saw on the LM2's for his position. He makes a stipend of $500.00 per month for his position. That's an extra $6000.00 per year (Yes I'm talking about money so sue me) I can make more than that with OT and CS's easy. That $5.00 per hour thought lingering out there would increase EVERY TWU Presidents salary by $10,000 per year. (Those people have a motivation for wanting to strike a deal with the company)

The other item is out station staffing on the TWU side (Bankruptcy driven) If there is a modification to our language it most assuredly will open stations that were lost to us in the past. There was a list of stations that Parker said he wouldn't close if the merger had happened before the Judge ruled. That was quite a substantial number of cities as I remember. I have a feeling that all of those will be brought back home creating multiple opportunities for ALL?

30 cities to be exact.

And yes I know that many of them are already currently IAM staffed but there were more lost in the past too.

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf



So what I see from my perspective is that at least one Union may have more of an emphasis to get the talks started then perhaps another one does personally? I hope that I'm wrong and we hear something soon, but I'm not getting that indication just yet.

 

I think you might be reaching with this but your guess is as good as anybodys What is in your  opinion a fair amount of daily flights before outsourcing?

 

[Albert]

You're going TWU because of the NY one station complex which includes that other airport at the end of the Van Wyck.You know the one with 600+ FSC's and considerably more flights than LUS has at LGA.

Better tell the bottom 200 or so not to take out 30 year mortgages. You need to check out passenger enplanements. Watch out if they lift the perimeter rules

 

[mike33]

Just a byproduct of this so called Association some were so excited about. Just a rumor of it had many of us
warning the masses, and we were criticized. I will say it again, I'm sure only to get criticized, nothing good
will come of this mess other than maybe a nice pay raise "falling" into the laps of the members.
 
Mike, where are you??

Have a little more faith in yourself. Not to worry. You're in good hands although sometimes it doesn't seem that way. The outcome justifies the means if all the players stay true to the course.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I think you might be reaching with this but your guess is as good as anybodys What is in your  opinion a fair amount of daily flights before outsourcing?

I don't think he is at all, if you are one of those at one of these 1 flight a day stations, ya better start making plans to relocate.

 

[Albert]

I don't think he is at all, if you are one of those at one of these 1 flight a day stations, ya better start making plans to relocate.

I was suprised when we got the one flight a day scope. I thought it would make it difficult for the company to ask for a higher amount in negotiations and it would have had they been offering us a 2.1% or 3% raise. Now with they are offering all bets are off . I would say 8 flights a day if fair but Its  easy for me to say Im at LGA

 

[bob@las-AA]

I was suprised when we got the one flight a day scope. I thought it would make it difficult for the company to ask for a higher amount in negotiations and it would have had they been offering us a 2.1% or 3% raise. Now with they are offering all bets are off . I would say 8 flights a day if fair but Its  easy for me to say Im at LGA

The smallest we had on the LAA side was ABQ, 10 per day, now I think it's a 25 per-day min. That brought us to only 17 TWU stations left. With all of the hiring going on both sides, the JCBA will reduce your stations and forcing some to relocate if space is available. I think the association knows this and this is the reason for the delay in passing on usable updates. So buckle up buttercup, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

 

[Filter]

The smallest we had on the LAA side was ABQ, 10 per day, now I think it's a 25 per-day min. That brought us to only 17 TWU stations left. With all of the hiring going on both sides, the JCBA will reduce your stations and forcing some to relocate if space is available. I think the association knows this and this is the reason for the delay in passing on usable updates. So buckle up buttercup, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

 
 
It's 15 flights to remain staffed and 20 to restaff...

 

[Albert]

The smallest we had on the LAA side was ABQ, 10 per day, now I think it's a 25 per-day min. That brought us to only 17 TWU stations left. With all of the hiring going on both sides, the JCBA will reduce your stations and forcing some to relocate if space is available. I think the association knows this and this is the reason for the delay in passing on usable updates. So buckle up buttercup, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

What are you saying? They are hiring to reduce stations? what? IF the ASS knows the company is going to reduce it would be the perfect excuse for dragging this out. The ASS doesnt know squat and from what you are saying neither do you

 

[bob@las-AA]

What are you saying? They are hiring to reduce stations? what? IF the ASS knows the company is going to reduce it would be the perfect excuse for dragging this out. The ASS doesnt know squat and from what you are saying neither do you

What are you saying? They are hiring to reduce stations? what? IF the ASS knows the company is going to reduce it would be the perfect excuse for dragging this out. The ASS doesnt know squat and from what you are saying neither do you

You turned on a dime, let's look at what the past 3 years have brought to both sides, on the US. Side, you have all been hiring like mad in all the stations the AA had to vacate, so in turn the Preferential hiring scam the IAM agreed too, now have had a change of venue and are kicking out our guys in MCI and possibly PHX. All because they were displaced and wanted to return home. Well I say to you, keep wishing to hold on to the few stations that have less than 15-25 flights. And if you think you can just bump into one of our houses ....... Sorry no more room, because we did some hiring of our own to return the favor.

 

[Albert]

You turned on a dime, let's look at what the past 3 years have brought to both sides, on the US. Side, you have all been hiring like mad in all the stations the AA had to vacate, so in turn the Preferential hiring scam the IAM agreed too, now have had a change of venue and are kicking out our guys in MCI and possibly PHX. All because they were displaced and wanted to return home. Well I say to you, keep wishing to hold on to the few stations that have less than 15-25 flights. And if you think you can just bump into one of our houses ....... Sorry no more room, because we did some hiring of our own to return the favor.

I doubt very strongly  even the ASS would agree to anything more than 10 flights a day for outsourcing. I guess if they did close some cities people would have to go to the junior cities  so there is a good chance you are looking at a part time  shift at best

 

[WeAAsles]

I think you might be reaching with this but your guess is as good as anybodys What is in your  opinion a fair amount of daily flights before outsourcing?

I wouldn't dream of making a social media call about fairness. That's a different animal to many different people. What I will say is that that decision is up to the Company, our Negotiators and ultimately us when we get a JCBA TA to vote on.

I'll read the ENTIRE language before I cast my vote.

 

[Albert]

I wouldn't dream of making a social media call about fairness. That's a different animal to many different people. What I will say is that that decision is up to the Company, our Negotiators and ultimately us when we get a JCBA TA to vote on.

I'll read the ENTIRE language before I cast my vote.

Odd, you never had a problem expressing your opinion before

 

[bob@las-AA]

I doubt very strongly  even the ASS would agree to anything more than 10 flights a day for outsourcing. I guess if they did close some cities people would have to go to the junior cities  so there is a good chance you are looking at a part time  shift at best

I will give you this, you are funny.