2015 Pilot Discussion.

[flyingskier]

“Arbitration is a well-established and widely used means to end disputes. 
 
The Free Dictionary by FARLEX

 
How did that work out?  Thanks for proving that Nicholaus work in our arbitration was a complete failure.  He started the dispute, he didn't end it like he was tasked to do.
 
Skier

 

[AWE Dog]

You got a lottery ticket you never be able to cash. Quote, Hummm

 

[luvthe9]

The APA will be scabs too if they accept the arbitration results? lol:

This is going to be fun to watch!

 

[luvthe9]

35 new hires a lot of upward movement due to the W/B guys retirements ! MM

I seem to have missed the west bid.......

 

[EastCheats]

This is going to be fun to watch!

Yes it will. Bring a bucket, I don't recommend extra crispy. Shhhh, court in session. 😉


NOTICE of Hearing on Motion re: [16] MOTION for Temporary
Restraining Order or Preliminary Injunction (with notice) : Motion
Hearing set for 6/30/2015 02:00 PM in Courtroom 2-1, 401 W Trade St,
Charlotte, NC 28202 before District Judge Robert J. Conrad Jr.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

"....Regrettably but inevitably, there will be perceived disparities and mismatches by individuals on both sides
and the end result, no matter how crafted, never commands universal acceptance." 
 
UAL/CAL Arbitrators
Dana Edward Eischen
 Roger P. Kaplan
 Dennis R. Nolan

. I what UNIVERSE do you put a 17year never furloughed pilot junior to a 6 month new hire on the other list? There is no NIC every arbitrator in the world knows this story. West steals financial data from contract merger committee, presents it to NIC causing 3 days of closed merger committee meetings, He rules East files DFR in Washington against ALPA , Prater calls WYE river, WEST says victory is ours, Jeff Freund says be careful no joint ratification no contract no NIC, West says see ya Jeff, East says ok West no negotiation no ALPA no joint ratification , welcome USAPA west ties up safety hotline sends feces in mail to USAPA HQ, USAPA files Rico, Rico not appropriate charges to offense case dismissed years later 2 failed DFR's ,WEST votes away NIC, EASt votes away scope and change of control provision for merger and WEST claims they can't read and were duped into voting away the NIC for the money! BTW the short version carry on Dave!

 

[Phoenix]

Yes it will. Bring a bucket, I don't recommend extra crispy. Shhhh, court in session. 😉
NOTICE of Hearing on Motion re: [16] MOTION for Temporary
Restraining Order or Preliminary Injunction (with notice) : Motion
Hearing set for 6/30/2015 02:00 PM in Courtroom 2-1, 401 W Trade St,
Charlotte, NC 28202 before District Judge Robert J. Conrad Jr.

Aren't you guys paying/donating enough for Marty to get an injunction against the company for all the East Bids?

 

[luvthe9]

Yes it will. Bring a bucket, I don't recommend extra crispy. Shhhh, court in session. 😉
NOTICE of Hearing on Motion re: [16] MOTION for Temporary
Restraining Order or Preliminary Injunction (with notice) : Motion
Hearing set for 6/30/2015 02:00 PM in Courtroom 2-1, 401 W Trade St,
Charlotte, NC 28202 before District Judge Robert J. Conrad Jr.

You kids make me laugh, better sell some more ties.
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[cactusboy53]

. I what UNIVERSE do you put a 17year never furloughed pilot junior to a 6 month new hire on the other list? There is no NIC every arbitrator in the world knows this story. West steals financial data from contract merger committee, presents it to NIC causing 3 days of closed merger committee meetings, He rules East files DFR in Washington against ALPA , Prater calls WYE river, WEST says victory is ours, Jeff Freund says be careful no joint ratification no contract no NIC, West says see ya Jeff, East says ok West no negotiation no ALPA no joint ratification , welcome USAPA west ties up safety hotline sends feces in mail to USAPA HQ, USAPA files Rico, Rico not appropriate charges to offense case dismissed years later 2 failed DFR's ,WEST votes away NIC, EASt votes away scope and change of control provision for merger and WEST claims they can't read and were duped into voting away the NIC for the money! BTW the short version carry on Dave!

In YOUR UNIVERSE.  When you agree to a process & product of that process, you are BOUND by that process.  It's the same UNIVERSE that places 517 AAA pilots in front of the #1 America West pilot.  It's called FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION for a reason.  So basic in terms of INTEGRITY, that you should get it.
 
Cry us a river, Boo.  The Arbitration Panel will look at "the Jess", and then look at the other two arguments.  Gee, I wonder what decision they will deliver?
 
When a party REFUSES to abide by the word that their bargaining agent agreed to, that makes that party a CHEAT, a LIAR, and a THIEF.  Further, the new "union" chose to persecute the smaller pilot group by any and all means.  That makes that party CONTEMPTABLE. 
 
You & your ilk will be held accountable at some time.  In this existence or in the next.  The AWA pilot group has simply been forced to defend our delivered seniority, and attacks on our pilot group.  Wave your little flag for the delay you have gained.  It has cost us all dearly.
 
Congratulations on your bid victories.  Your ill gotten seniority fortune is just that.  Delay, delay, delay.

 

[cactusboy53]

 
How did that work out?  Thanks for proving that Nicholaus work in our arbitration was a complete failure.  He started the dispute, he didn't end it like he was tasked to do.
 
Skier

Generally well.  The list remains on Mr. Parkers desk, and has NEVER been legally determined as "bad".  "The Jess" will be presented to the Arbitration Board, and then the other two parties will make their cases.  The Nicolau is only a "complete failure" in your eyes.  That doesn't make it wrong, incorrect, or illegal.  He DID end it as he was tasked to, he gave 517 slots to East pilots.  He slotted / ratioed the rest of the EMPLOYED pilots.  The furloughed pilots were place on the bottom.  America West had NO FURLOUGHED pilots.  Pretty simple stuff.

 

[cactusboy53]

"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right and evil doesn't become good, just because it is accepted by a majority."
~Author Unknown

 

[AWE Dog]

In YOUR UNIVERSE.  When you agree to a process & product of that process, you are BOUND by that process.  It's the same UNIVERSE that places 517 AAA pilots in front of the #1 America West pilot.  It's called FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION for a reason.  So basic in terms of INTEGRITY, that you should get it.
 
Cry us a river, Boo.  The Arbitration Panel will look at "the Jess", and then look at the other two arguments.  Gee, I wonder what decision they will deliver?
 
When a party REFUSES to abide by the word that their bargaining agent agreed to, that makes that party a CHEAT, a LIAR, and a THIEF.  Further, the new "union" chose to persecute the smaller pilot group by any and all means.  That makes that party CONTEMPTABLE. 
 
You & your ilk will be held accountable at some time.  In this existence or in the next.  The AWA pilot group has simply been forced to defend our delivered seniority, and attacks on our pilot group.  Wave your little flag for the delay you have gained.  It has cost us all dearly.
 
Congratulations on your bid victories.  Your ill gotten seniority fortune is just that.  Delay, delay, delay.

You agreed to a product and process that said you had to have a JCBA to use this arbitration. You are spinning just the part of the process you want use. Who is the cheat?

 

[nevergiveup]

3 lists......currently in effect. Now let me ponder for a moment upon which lists were in effect....hmmm.

 

[FL430]

"....Regrettably but inevitably, there will be perceived disparities and mismatches by individuals on both sides under the merged list. George Nicolau's four basic verities of ISL arbitration are as apt and vital today as they were nearly a quarter of a century ago: each case turns on its own facts; the objective is to make the integration fair and equitable; the proposals advanced by those in contest rarely meet that standard;
and the end result, no matter how crafted, never commands universal acceptance." 
 
UAL/CAL Arbitrators
Dana Edward Eischen
 Roger P. Kaplan
 Dennis R. Nolan

Why do you think there were three of them this time genius ?

 

[cactusboy53]

You agreed to a product and process that said you had to have a JCBA to use this arbitration. You are spinning just the part of the process you want use. Who is the cheat?

As evidenced, there was a contact on the table for 6 years. USAPA / East chose to not accept the contact because of the attempted evasion of the arbitrated seniority.

That means that body chose to not take the improved wages & contract improvements. That party by choice is the CHEAT. Pretty simple stuff.