2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

So which scab was fired..

 

[luvthe9]

10 terrible airline pilots we hope to never fly with......



#5 The America West pilots who showed up for work drunk.

Back in 2002, Thomas Cloyd and Christopher Hughes narrowly avoided becoming even more infamous after being ordered by authorities to turn the plane around and come back to the terminal at Miami International Airport. Turns out, the terrible twosome had spent the entire night drinking at a Coconut Grove bar, showing up late to their flight; their irregular behavior tipped off staff, who summoned the police. They were later tried and sent to prison.

 

[luvthe9]

F-him

Repeated potty mouth from Dave, go to your room now!

 

[luvthe9]

The only thing marty harper, your "legal west representative", shredded was the nicolau.
 
10 years of stagnation in your west "career" and the word from Mr Kirby of at least five more years.
 
I will let you go to bed now, as a reserve pilot like you are and will be for years to come,  a narrow body f/o trip will be awarded you by scheduling by the early am I am sure, maybe david braid or fergie or vasalino or mario or the like will call in sick.
 
Iron your liberty tie and be ready.

Good one, we have a copy of an invoice from Marty, man you boys are in debt big time, 1,821,229.87. And that's from a while ago with not near enough coming in to cover that.

 

[WNMECH]

The Germanwings crash has brought increased scrutiny on pilot psychological screening.
 
Where do you think they should start looking for pilots in mental distress?
 
Hmm?

Told you so.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/airlines-safety-pilots-screening-idUSL1N0YI1KL20150527


The new Pilot Fitness Aviation Rulemaking Committee might recommend looking at internet posts to find loose wingnuts.

 

[EastCheats]

So which scab was fired..

 
Was he Philly based and in a motorcycle gang? 😉
 

 

[Freighterguynow]

"Leet-e-gay-shun".... LMFAO
With the earliest implementation of the SLI in the fall of 2016 m.

Never going to happen on that timeline. Ever.

The TA between US Airways/ America West had a [ defined ] joint bid to be published within 12 months after a ratified contract. That was for 5000 pilots.

Key word - published. Implimentation TBD.

Noticeably missing in the MOU is [ ANY ] requirement for implementation of SLI.

Mr. $7000 a month and the other 98% were so blinded by the USAPA issue - I feel buyers remorse will rule the island lepers for a long, long time time.

 

[luvthe9]

Was he Philly based and in a motorcycle gang? 😉

No, PHX hey you moved up a number! 🙂

 

[cactusboy53]

The west is beginning to get the bad news about their plans. They are in a poor position of one stagnant base with narrow body aircraft. east new hires with 2 yrs have vastly better career expectations and pay than 10 yr west pilots.
When they try and dump on furloughed LAA pilots, they will be fighting east and LAA pilots.

Really? And you would know this how? We remain steadfast, well funded, and sitting comfortably on moral & ethical grounds.

Maybe you should read the dialog between Arbitrator Javitz & USAPA MC Chair Jess Pauley.

Still infusing your opinion, revised history & made-up stories.

Dave

 

[luvthe9]

Told you so.http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/airlines-safety-pilots-screening-idUSL1N0YI1KL20150527The new Pilot Fitness Aviation Rulemaking Committee might recommend looking at internet posts to find loose wingnuts.

Wow, they would have a field day in PHX.

 

[cactusboy53]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if some news about the NIC being a nonstarter with the APA was disseminated recently. I assume the westies are accustomed to the heat, what else would get them so riled up?

Perhaps you might explain why exactly the Nicolau Seniority List is a "non-starter", let alone be of any concern what so ever. School us, would you please?

Dave

 

[luvthe9]

Perhaps you might explain why exactly the Nicolau Seniority List is a "non-starter", let alone be of any concern what so ever. School us, would you please?
Dave

Pay attention boy, it does not exist, get it, no NIC for you ever......WYE RIVER.....


"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"





"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."




YOU MADE THE CHOICE! GET OVER IT.



WOW, you boys owe Marty a lot of money.

 

[cactusboy53]

So which scab was fired..

I did some investigating. No one's been fired over here to my knowlege. I guess that makes you a LIAR.

 

[cactusboy53]

Pay attention boy, it does not exist, get it, no NIC for you ever......WYE RIVER.....
"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"
"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."
YOU MADE THE CHOICE! GET OVER IT.
WOW, you boys owe Marty a lot of money.

Oh look. Another emotional response. Wye on earth are you so concerned about our choices, our legal bills, etc.

You REALLY should be spending your time educating yourself on the proceedings AND preparing to ACCEPT the next arbitration (just like you should have done the last time).

Dave

 

[Claxon]

Perhaps you might explain why exactly the Nicolau Seniority List is a "non-starter", let alone be of any concern what so ever. School us, would you please?
Dave

Here you go Dave. From the mouth of the President of your airline. He tells you crackpots time and again in your crew meetings. At least Mr. LEE TEE GASHUN showed up for new entertainment. Scott was honestly getting worried about the creepy stuttering advances of Capt. Gay.
Dave, the below is a court ruling. Your rebuttal Mr domicile rep.


First and foremost, plaintiffs cannot explain, nor do they try, how irreparable injury follows from this Court’s finding that there is no injury at all. As this Court already determined, because no seniority term exists, because it has yet to be negotiated, there is no harm, hence the case is not ripe. Addington v. US Airline Pilots Ass’n, 606 F.3d 1174, at *10 (9th Cir. 2010) (“We conclude that this case presents contingencies that could prevent effectuation of USAPA's proposal and the accompanying injury”). And, in making the lack of injury determination, this Court necessarily rejected plaintiffs’ theory of their case that a failure to implement a predecessor union’s proposal – one even the former union was free to drop – is somehow a violation of the duty of fair representation. Id. at *14, n.3 (“USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor”). Hence, under the law of this case, that bare possibility cannot constitute injury now, or ever. Second, plaintiffs admit that it is merely speculative (“it might”) that the imagined harm, a date of hire seniority term, is ever negotiated, ratified, and executed. Stays may be denied even with a showing of irreparable harm, but without such showing denial is required. Chrysler LLC, 129 S. Ct. 2275 (2009)

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They claim that the Supreme Court would reverse because, “this case will encourage other unions to refuse, in bad faith, to implement an arbitrated seniority integration” (DktEntry 52 at 1-2), when this Court has already found the Nicolau arbitration was merely “the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA.” Addington, 606 F.3d 1174, at *15, n.3. But there is no arbitration that USAPA was ever a party to anywhere in this record. And the district court properly dismissed (and plaintiffs did not appeal) the removed state claim, which asserted the pilots themselves were a party. There not only is no ‘federally mandated’ arbitration, there is no arbitration at all, merely a predecessor union’s bargaining proposal.



Plaintiffs also claim that this Court’s disposition would “thwart important federal labor policy – evidenced by the 2007 passage of the McCaskill-Bond bill”(DktEntry 52 at 2).3 But there is no dispute, let alone any claim, that McCaskill is not applicable, nor could it be for several reasons, procedural as well assubstantive. Even if McCaskill were applicable, arbitration is not mandatory, rather, as plaintiffs concede, only utilized, ‘if necessary.’ Plaintiffs’ McCaskill argument is a red-herring.