2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby


Dave, give us the signed JCBA copy.
You can't. You honestly never had any business being a rep.
You should be sued for being an incompetent criminal accessory to your shyster " attorney" Harper

 

[Claxon]

I did some investigating. No one's been fired over here to my knowlege. I guess that makes you a LIAR.

Your response former PHX rep.

Jeffrey Freund - Notice of Removal July 24, 2007
Thus, the arbitration award Plaintiffs purportedly seek to vacate is in actuality the proposed pilot seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the Company, but which (like a union bargaining position in any matter) the Company is not required to accept. Application, Ex.1 at 2,9 (ALPA will present to the company the merged seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy arbitration procedures, and ALPA will use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority list). Plaintiffs seek review of this ALPA bargaining position developed through ALPA Merger Policy, and, while couching it in the terms of vacating and arbitration, the relief they actually seek is a review of the product of ALPAs Merger Policy, and, ultimately, alteration of ALPAs bargaining proposal to the companyPlaintiffs Application to vacate an arbitration award that does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the Company, but which merely sets out ALPAs bargaining position to be presented to the company, is not a state law claim at all but rather an artfully pled Federal claim for breech of Duty of Fair Representation.

Judge Emmet Sullivan - Memorandum Opinion November 30, 2007
Ultimately, the ALPA Merger Policy generates a proposed seniority list, which ALPA promises to present to the merged airlines in an effort to persuade the merged airlines to adopt the list. See Defs. Oppn 3-4.

 

[traderjake]

If you aren't lying, then you remember the events incorrectly.

 
After thinking about it some more your sequence of  events is accurate. 

 

[cactusboy53]

Claxon:
You clearly have nothing to worry about, then right? Good for you.

It's amusing how you keep cherry picking all of the PORTIONS of various legal postings to support your triumph.

 

[im back..!!]

Perhaps you might explain why exactly the Nicolau Seniority List is a "non-starter", let alone be of any concern what so ever. School us, would you please?
Dave

Well sit down class is in session.

That would be the class members of the furloughed LAA that didn't go to AWE aren't to keen on there classmates jumping the que thru the NIC list.
The opportunists that want to benefit thru the luck and not the effort of what each classmate did to make it to recall....

They are speaking there mind to APA, non to happy....APA will not be able to endorse such a seniority jumping scheme, at the expense of there other classmates. They listened to the west reps, did the math and said sorry, can't sell that to the APA line Pilots.

APA will not be a party to that SLI scheme, inclusive of the NIC. Not with our significant, wait for it " Conditions and Restrictions" along and inclusive of fences.
WOW, has the west ever heard those words before.....

Read'em and weep my brothers, NIC or nothing, you got nothing.... So, in a way I guess you got what you wanted... Good to be you.....

Now, try to be happy, it's hot enough in the desert. Cheers

 

[cactusboy53]

Well sit down class is in session.
That would be the class members of the furloughed LAA that didn't go to AWE aren't to keen on there classmates jumping the que thru the NIC list.
The opportunists that want to benefit thru the luck and not the effort of what each classmate did to make it to recall....
They are speaking there mind to APA, non to happy....APA will not be able to endorse such a seniority jumping scheme, at the expense of there other classmates. They listened to the west reps, did the math and said sorry, can't sell that to the APA line Pilots.
APA will not be a party to that SLI scheme, inclusive of the NIC. Not with our significant, wait for it " Conditions and Restrictions" along and inclusive of fences.
WOW, has the west ever heard those words before.....
Read'em and weep my brothers, NIC or nothing, you got nothing.... So, in a way I guess you got what you wanted... Good to be you.....
Now, try to be happy, it's hot enough in the desert. Cheers

Sorry I wasn't specific enough. We want logic, not pretzel logic (and the ever present "It's not fair.).

 

[EastUS1]

....We want logic....

 
Thanks for the Joke of the Day.

 

[EastUS1]

TOGA

 
Speaking of the Joke of the Day; We've all likely been curious as to just exactly what different actions a proper "spartan" would've taken while commanding FLT1549...So? Enlighten us all. Spare us all not even the slightest details, since I, for one, could certainly use a few more laughs at "you'se" expense....?

 

[EastUS1]

traderjake: "In any case you accused me of insubordination on this board which was way out of line"
 

 
After thinking about it some more your sequence of  events is accurate. 

 

[EastUS1]

....because as an Air Farce peelot ......

 
So now even the USAF is (at least in your infantile fantasies anyway) a proper subject for derision and even a "Farce"? Whew!....Just curious here, self-styled little "spartan soldier" of the "army of leonidas"; what's your estimation of the USN?...The USMC?...The USCG?...or our non-"spartan"-Fantasyland but actual US Army?

 

[EastUS1]

You clearly have nothing to worry about, then right? 

 
That's correct. Have fun in PHX kid.

 

[EastUS1]

Read'em and weep my brothers, NIC or nothing, you got nothing.... So, in a way I guess you got what you wanted... Good to be you.....

Now, try to be happy, it's hot enough in the desert. Cheers

 
Pretty much, and all the "This is Sparta!"/"battle"-tested-"knights"/"dire wolves"/"liberty" ties/whatever childish nonsense in the world changes nothing there for anyone.

 

[EastUS1]

.....We remain steadfast, well funded, and sitting comfortably on moral & ethical grounds.

 
One must charitably hope that being forever-steadfastly-seated on the thrones of such inestimable self-righteousness and "moral and ethical grounds" will serve to afford you all great comfort in the times to come.
 
There is of course, always the kindly suggestable idea to consider: "On the most exhalted throne on earth we are seated on nothing but our own arse"....Just sayin'....and as always; good luck with all your perpetually adolescent fantasies.

 

[EastUS1]

I did some investigating. No one's been fired over here to my knowlege. .....

 
Should we all mark that down as a personal endorsement from you for writing false names in aircraft log books?...Or did your "knowledge" and "investigating" in ANY way indicate that anything other than exactly that happened?
 
"We remain steadfast...and sitting comfortably on moral and ethical ground"....Thanks for the always-predictable laughs,...but...Well? Do you deny that one of your "spartan" morons intentionally falsified an aircraft log book, and perhaps even stupidly worse; just to be "cute"? 48 years now in the sky for sport or serious business, and I must've missed the memo where it said that an aircraft log book was a proper place for making purely personal "statements", so kindly fill us all in on how that's EVER acceptable behavior...?
 
You're a supposedly "professional pilot":  What do you think should be done with a person that would ever even do that? Not-so-much now "sitting comfortably on moral and ethical high ground" as you squirm to answer that?....?

 

[im back..!!]

Sorry I wasn't specific enough. We want logic, not pretzel logic (and the ever present "It's not fair.).

I'd like to help you out with the logic, but it's not my logic were referencing here. It's the LAA fellows. Talk to them.
Don't shoot the messenger....
I'm on board with you, as a former USAPA brother I think you should get the NIC along with an arbitrary (hmm, I always wondered why they called it arbitration) bump of say 20% for punitative damages. SARCASM ALERT!!!!