2015 Pilot Discussion.

[traderjake]

Only a fool would believe that..........

 
he even lies to himself...............
 
Good luck finding an arbiter who still considers DOH for pilots fair. 

 

[cactusboy53]

Well "idiot" wonder which ones of your group were at Wye River, hhmmmm some one or several made that fateful decision.........could it have been.............Satan?
"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now"
Seek help soon your on the border.
You "believe " wrong son, again.

You really should be less worried about WYE we chose not to negotiate AWAY from the product of an mutually agreed upon process. You should be more concerned about what the arbitrators will think of "The Jess" and how you will be BOUND by that agreement (just like the last). Sleep tight Buttercup. The walls are gonna tumble down.....

 

[cactusboy53]

You comments about my previous posts today sir?
 
 
"west pilots should ask the advice of those among them with basic calculus
skills, to find the results of the sum total of their efforts to date.
 
N=NIC   B=BS   L="Leeetigation" CB=combinded contract.;;;;;;;;;
 
 
N+B+L-CB=0

 


Quintessentially, the west pilot's failure is due to the fact, they have lawyers that want to be pilots and pilots that want to be lawyers. "

What ever. See you at the table, Dorothy.

 

[im back..!!]

LUVtoLIE   can't help himself  from repeating this whopper.
 
Furlough by DOH/LOS was not the Nicolau award.
 
Why wouldn't the West jump  at the chance to furlough all their F/Os and some of their Captains before the first East pilot hit the street?

Usairways hired after the merger, after recalling the furloughed pilots from the east.
The west was offered seat protections along with " no bump , no flush " provisions...

They will live to regret their unwillingness to accept the realities of this industry....

 

[im back..!!]

Though a long shot, the Nicolau award is more alive than DOH (even with some nice conditions and restrictions  ).

I'm not sure what these west guys are smoking...

I have my captains bid based upon my DOH, .....

 

[im back..!!]

luvthelie can't understand why you wouldn't agree to use West pilots as furlough fodder.

Who furloughed after the merger?

 

[im back..!!]

Wow, does that EVER smell like FEAR. John Melencamp's "When the Walls Come Tumblin' Down" comes to mind....

Are you serious enough?

Your soooo doomed .....this argument is so over,...l good luck to you and yours...bidding by DOH isn't as bad as you think....you have been doing it since you were a new hire

 

[im back..!!]

Well I believe that NO ONE had the authority to do so. Idiot.

Too bad for you n your "idiot" breatheren....

You could have been bidding wide bodies now.....

 

[luvthe9]

You really should be less worried about WYE we chose not to negotiate AWAY from the product of an mutually agreed upon process. You should be more concerned about what the arbitrators will think of "The Jess" and how you will be BOUND by that agreement (just like the last). Sleep tight Buttercup. The walls are gonna tumble down.....

And look what happened, how's it working out for you so far, fool.


Only in your dreams son.

 

[luvthe9]

Too bad for you n your "idiot" breatheren....
You could have been bidding wide bodies now.....

AWA..... The dumbest pilot group in the industry..........would you like to join in the massive growth upgrades and wide body's or stick with NIC or Nothing.



Who made the fateful mistake that doomed the west pilots....,,,you will NEVER recover from your mistake,



It's OK you can tell us,

 

[luvthe9]

What ever. See you at the table, Dorothy.

And you be sure to tell the panel all you brought to this merge......LMAO


"The AAA pilots brought 2/3 of the jobs to the merger, 75% of the future attrition and 100% of the premium paying jobs, yet in the middle of 2027 there are only 5 of the top 100 pilots on the merged list from the former AAA list. That is, our attrition argument at its very core."





You should be with Mesa now, be happy we brought you along for the ride, scarecrow.

 

[luvthe9]

"PHX Crew News May 29th 2008 Scott Kirby: "I feel 100% certain that every single person in this room is better off because of the last merger occurred, there is a high probability that none of us would have jobs, at least not at this airline,"

 

[luvthe9]

"May 9 Scott Kirby, revealed Project Zanzibar It is now beyond dispute that the junior AW pilot, Dave Odell, and 300-400 other AW F/Os hired in 2002-05 would have been furloughed absent the US merger, as AW went into Chapter 11, perhaps never to emerge."

 

[Claxon]

You really should be less worried about WYE we chose not to negotiate AWAY from the product of an mutually agreed upon process. You should be more concerned about what the arbitrators will think of "The Jess" and how you will be BOUND by that agreement (just like the last). Sleep tight Buttercup. The walls are gonna tumble down.....

The final miscalculation of the Leonidas 2004 hire brain trust will soon play out.
Mitch Vasin, Eric Ferguson et al will present a list based on a prior integration that never was consummated. The JCBA they never achieved invalidated their proposal. By attempting to leapfrog east pilots by decades, they will pose a clear and direct assault on the careers of Legacy American pilots.
The west group with one base and narrow body jets will attempt to use the east as a stepping stone for their new prize- the Legacy American flying and wide body jets.
The reality is a three year east pilot makes more than a ten year west F/O.
The more senior west pilots will again have themselves locked off what they deserve by the greed of 2004 hires.
David Simmons will attempt to spin this in a different light. It will not work. Simmons is fully aware of the extreme backlash about to come from the formerly furloughed LAA pilots. Simmons knows he has to put them far down the list if he attempts to do the same to east pilots recalled 10 yrs ago. It is a dangerous position for Simmons.

 

[Claxon]

David Simmons will never attempt to rebut the statement by Scott Kirby.
He knows his leader is far better educated in these matters than he himself is.
David Simmons has misrepresented the truth on a continuous basis.


“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby