2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

I would be worried about some bad news for PHX tomorrow in the big announcement.

 

[EastCheats]

I would be worried about some bad news for PHX tomorrow in the big announcement.

 
I'm sure they had to run it by Luv before the big announcement. 😉

 

[Phoenix]

We are not the bargaining agent yet we are still trying to get new hires to join USAPA.
 
"Joining USAPA is a way of allowing your voice to be heard in the process."
 
Isn't that the job of the APA?
 
 
Fellow American and recently hired pilots
 
The APA/USAPA/West-pilot seniority integration process will soon be upon us all. USAPA is no longer the Collective Bargaining agent for former US Airways pilots but will represent "East" pilots in that process.
 
In an effort to keep our new American pilots informed and to allow their voices to be heard USAPA would like to offer membership in USAPA to those pilots who have not yet become members and who would like to join. As a benefit of membership you will receive all the information that other USAPA pilots receive via email regarding the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process and other information that may affect your career.
 
There are no dues or assessments. USAPA is not your certified bargaining agent but will be representing East pilots in the McCaskill Bond process. USAPA no longer receives information on new pilots hired at American in Philadelphia (PHL), Charlotte, (CLT) and Washington (DCA) and so we are reaching out to you via Pilot Crew Rooms.
 
There is no obligation to join. Joining USAPA is a way of allowing your voice to be heard in the process. Joining simply filling out a membership application form.
 
Please include an email address for a prompt reply. Your membership status will be voted on at the next USAPA meeting.

Read the protocol agreement. And then accept the details of the agreement. Integrity ya know.

 

[Claxon]

I'm sure they had to run it by Luv before the big announcement. 😉

Mitchell Vaselino

 

[snapthis]

Read the protocol agreement. And then accept the details of the agreement. Integrity ya know.

 
I've accepted the fact that the APA is the bargaining agent. Are you still in the mourning stage? Acceptance ya need.
 

 

[Phoenix]

I don't think they will get anybody to join and have that Usapian stench attached to them the rest of their careers.

For new pilots who dare join USAPA (like the early West pilots did), how long will your blanket party threat be in effect?

 

[Phoenix]

I've accepted the fact that the APA is the bargaining agent. Are you still in the mourning stage? Acceptance ya need.

The APA designated a west committee. The U.S. Congress ensured that USAPA represents. The Protocol Agreement is merely the binding contractual instument. Read and head, and save yourself from futile legal shenanagins.

 

[snapthis]

The APA designated a west committee. The U.S. Congress ensured that USAPA represents. The Protocol Agreement is merely the binding contractual instument. Read and head, and save yourself from futile legal shenanagins.

 
The APA is the representative. Not USAPA, not Congress.
 
Binding, there's that word again. It doesn't mean much, right?
 
Integrity ya know.

 

[luvthe9]

I've accepted the fact that the APA is the bargaining agent. Are you still in the mourning stage? Acceptance ya need.

Still in mourning about not taking the NIC when we offered it to you.


No NIC ever for you, acceptance ya need!

 

[EastCheats]

Still in mourning about not taking the NIC when we offered it to you.


No NIC ever for you, acceptance ya need!

 
Is this the big announcement?

 

[Phoenix]

The APA is the representative. Not USAPA, not Congress.
 
Binding, there's that word again. It doesn't mean much, right?
 
Integrity ya know.

You have been an emotional basket case for so long over so many issues you have lost all ability to present a rationale, logical point.

You are the equivalent of the Harry Potter actor that the AOL video producers portrayed with a cape and fire extinguisher... Vanquishing self-imagined goblins in the night.

How about presenting a fact or two... You can start with telling us the real name of the boy genius who signed the logbook as "George".

 

[im back..!!]

The author of the letter reaching out to AA's new hires also went attorney shopping to figure out a way to get out of binding arbitration. The attorney cautioned:
 
However, he cautioned, the language  you use in setting up your new union and how you go about talking and writing about  your solutions to this award can be used against you. You need to stress he positives of  the new union and not dwell on the award.  Don't give the other side a large body of  evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau  award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross  negligence or fraud.
 
You set up a union to get around binding arbitration and now you want to go around the APA?
 
 
Come on guys, i assume your smarter than school children....
 
in sports its called "falling on the ball", in some games you "take a knee" while the clock runs out.....
 
"DUUHHHH"...
 
a strategy in any sport, and you best believe this is nothing other than, in America (capitalism) business is sport, running out the clock is a very valid strategy.
 
when you feel you are ahead (a matter of perspective) you keep the opponent from scoring, thus winning the game.
 
if the east pilots felt that keeping the seniority they brought and having access to the seniority they stayed around for ( the retirement attrition) then a win for them was just that. they didn't need a new pay rate in a new contract. just their attrition. notice i didn't mention their opponents attrition, no.....just what they brought to the merger...
 
so, to act all uppity and question where is the "Bradford Letter".... wake up girlies..... even your daughter could see thru this, and your attorney's at wye river told you as much...
 
we fell on the ball..... and the rewards were long in coming, but are very sweet indeed at this time...
 
thank you AOL for making the tenure to get to this point so easy... all the badgering we got from the likes of you, showed us what we surely didn't want to give up.....

 

[im back..!!]

 

The author of the letter reaching out to AA's new hires also went attorney shopping to figure out a way to get out of binding arbitration. The attorney cautioned:
 
However, he cautioned, the language  you use in setting up your new union and how you go about talking and writing about  your solutions to this award can be used against you. You need to stress he positives of  the new union and not dwell on the award.  Don't give the other side a large body of  evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau  award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross  negligence or fraud.
 
You set up a union to get around binding arbitration and now you want to go around the APA?
 
 
Come on guys, i assume your smarter than school children....
 
in sports its called "falling on the ball", in some games you "take a knee" while the clock runs out.....
 
"DUUHHHH"...
 
a strategy in any sport, and you best believe this is nothing other than, in America (capitalism) business is sport, running out the clock is a very valid strategy.
 
when you feel you are ahead (a matter of perspective) you keep the opponent from scoring, thus winning the game.
 
if the east pilots felt that keeping the seniority they brought and having access to the seniority they stayed around for ( the retirement attrition) then a win for them was just that. they didn't need a new pay rate in a new contract. just their attrition. notice i didn't mention their opponents attrition, no.....just what they brought to the merger...
 
so, to act all uppity and question where is the "Bradford Letter".... wake up girlies..... even your daughter could see thru this, and your attorney's at wye river told you as much...
 
we fell on the ball..... and the rewards were long in coming, but are very sweet indeed at this time...
 
thank you AOL for making the tenure to get to this point so easy... all the badgering we got from the likes of you, showed us what we surely didn't want to give up.....

 

 

[im back..!!]

You set up a union to get around binding arbitration and now you want to go around the APA?
 
 
Come on guys, i assume your smarter than school children....
 
in sports its called "falling on the ball", in some games you "take a knee" while the clock runs out.....
 
"DUUHHHH"...
 
a strategy in any sport, and you best believe this is nothing other than, in America (capitalism) business is sport, running out the clock is a very valid strategy.
 
when you feel you are ahead (a matter of perspective) you keep the opponent from scoring, thus winning the game.
 
if the east pilots felt that keeping the seniority they brought and having access to the seniority they stayed around for ( the retirement attrition) then a win for them was just that. they didn't need a new pay rate in a new contract. just their attrition. notice i didn't mention their opponents attrition, no.....just what they brought to the merger...
 
so, to act all uppity and question where is the "Bradford Letter".... wake up girlies..... even your daughter could see thru this, and your attorney's at wye river told you as much...
 
we fell on the ball..... and the rewards were long in coming, but are very sweet indeed at this time...
 
thank you AOL for making the tenure to get to this point so easy... all the badgering we got from the likes of you, showed us what we surely didn't want to give up.....

 

[EastCheats]

You have been an emotional basket case for so long over so many issues you have lost all ability to present a rationale, logical point.

You are the equivalent of the Harry Potter actor that the AOL video producers portrayed with a cape and fire extinguisher... Vanquishing self-imagined goblins in the night.

How about presenting a fact or two... You can start with telling us the real name of the boy genius who signed the logbook as "George".

 
Sounds familiar.
 
Eastus? 😉