2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Or you must understand there will be no do-over's again. USAPA cost us all the raises & contract improvements that could have been realized in 2008. Oh, it will be fun.
Carry on Luvr, keep clicking those heels.

Sorry son wrong again, AOL is the one that has cost YOU kids "raises and contract" improvements. YOU made the choice not to join in the growth and upward movement. Remember "we did this to ourselves" that came from YOUR side.


The MIGHTY U-Turn Says: WE TOLD YOU SO!...........they knew and YOU should have listened to them.



"Its time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys."


Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn



"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now"




"According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two."





When it's all said and done it will be something fairly close to DOH, "fair and equitable" right, and will all be one happy family.




ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN CAUSED BY THE WEST! FACT.

 

[Claxon]

I hear a good one's coming out celebrating Captain Sullenberger and the flight crew's feats on 1549. When's the start of production for the one on the heroic sufferings of the PHX "spartans" from "terrorists" coming along...or even scheduled for?

1549 the west side story. Eric Auxier and Mark Peeper deflect most of the geese with the mystical stare of Cap'n Aux. When some geese are ingested, Mark Peeper commands TOGA!
The damaged engines spring to high power. More than they had when off the assembly line.
Cap'n Aux whips over to JFK, surrounded by blog buddies. Brice LeCarre films the event and parade. Black Top Pests sweeps the charts. The country is ablaze with Aux Fever.

 

[cactusboy53]

Sorry son wrong again, AOL is the one that has cost YOU kids "raises and contract" improvements. YOU made the choice not to join in the growth and upward movement. Remember "we did this to ourselves" that came from YOUR side.
The MIGHTY U-Turn Says: WE TOLD YOU SO!...........they knew and YOU should have listened to them.
"Its time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys."
Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn
"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now"
"According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two."
When it's all said and done it will be something fairly close to DOH, "fair and equitable" right, and will all be one happy family.
ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN CAUSED BY THE WEST! FACT.

What ever, Dorothy. I'm really not that concerned. We're all going to do another FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION, and then you guys are going to sue (AGAIN) because you've deemed the new list unfair (as my buddy John says - "SHOCKING!".

Meanwhile USAPA continues down the path of supreme confidence. Keep spinning you lies, Luvr. You really should try the truth. As it says, it "will set you free".

 

[cactusboy53]

Come on now you can admit it no NIC for the west, we know, I'm starting to think you are the one that made that fateful decision at WYE RIVER, right DAVE you are responsible for the downfall of the west pilots.

That's not desperate, right?

 

[luvthe9]

What ever, Dorothy. I'm really not that concerned. We're all going to do another FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION, and then you guys are going to sue (AGAIN) because you've deemed the new list unfair (as my buddy John says - "SHOCKING!".
Meanwhile USAPA continues down the path of supreme confidence. Keep spinning you lies, Luvr. You really should try the truth. As it says, it "will set you free".

"I'm really not that concerned"..............Seriously, you could have fooled us.



Are you calling your own team liars, guess you have a hard time disputing the facts.


What you call lies are just quotes from your own pilot group, guess they don't agree with you.

 

[traderjake]

And the sky is blue. So what?

 
If you must reference Bruce Willis movie quotes at least give credit where credit is due   😀
 
"Water is wet, the sky is blue, women have secrets ..... who gives a f*ck?" ............Joe Hallenbeck from the movie The Last Boy Scout

 

[traderjake]

 

 

And the sky is blue. So what?

 

[im back..!!]

That's not desperate, right?

It's really not, it's a matter of perspective.

By forgoing a Kirby contract, thus delaying (possibly nullifying) the nic. Most of the east has recaptured their captains bid. Most will be gone from the property in less than 5 years. Retiring from the left seat.

With the company imposed and union agreed to "No bump/no flush" provision, it is virtually impossible to loose their seats to the nic catastrophe. They could go all punitive and put the entire west group on top of the east ( they won't) and it wouldn't effect these pilots now.

I dare say, we are virtually protected. So, no, we have no need to feel desperate. The only reason we wouldn't offer you the nic again ourselves (like at wye river) is because you have been such "cactus's" about it.

 

[luvthe9]

That's not desperate, right?

Sorry dude another loss for you, again..........I really can't think any east pilot that is "desperate" for any reason.



Your really reaching son............life is good out east and is going to stay that way.


Hey, maybe you should bid out of PHX, oh wait a minute guess you can't .

 

[A320 Driver]

Just wanted to say I rode a West jumpseat for the first time last week. Never met two finer gentlemen in my career and they ran a great operation.  
 
I thought the board could use something positive...

 

[im back..!!]

Just wanted to say I rode a West jumpseat for the first time last week. Never met two finer gentlemen in my career and they ran a great operation.  
 
I thought the board could use something positive...

DITTO! Never had anything but cordial conversation anywhere I've run into a west crew. Jump seat, hotel van, training center.... Must just be a few rogue "Keyboard" warriors.... That are "Deeeks"....

 

[Black Swan]

Just wanted to say I rode a West jumpseat for the first time last week. Never met two finer gentlemen in my career and they ran a great operation.  
 
I thought the board could use something positive...

Yes. This board sucks, the West pilots I meet are great guys. Good luck to everyone.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I make it a policy not talk to scabs, I will make an exception this time.

You always make an 'exception' then reply.

In some pathetic way - you need this.

 

[Claxon]

She is singing again west.  It is not over until the ...........
 
https://vimeo.com/53220477

 

[Claxon]

"On December 19, 2007, I sent a letter to Captain John Prater, President of ALPA,
in which I informed him that the Company accepted the Nicolau Award because it satisfied the
criteria specified for acceptance of a combined seniority list under the Transition Agreement, but
reminded ALPA that “[p]ursuant to the terms of the Transition Agreement, the award will not be
implemented by the Company until we have concluded negotiations over the terms of a single
labor agreement covering both pilot groups.” A true and correct copy of my December 19, 2007
letter to Captain Prater is attached hereto as Exhibit 6."
 
"At no time has ALPA (or its successor USAPA) or the Company formally
suspended negotiations for a single agreement per the terms of Section V.G of the Transition Agreement."
 
"Following USAPA’s certification, US Airways and USAPA began meeting
regarding a single collective bargaining agreement on June 16, 2008. In the four and one-half
months since that time, the parties have since met for a total of 21 days, have passed 79 proposals
on 24 of 30 sections of the single collective bargaining agreement, and have reached tentative agreements on four sections."
 
"I understand that plaintiffs assert that since US Airways has employed 239
additional pilots on the East side of its operations, it must have enough extra flights “to employ
the premerger America West pilots that the Company plans to furlough.” This is wrong. First,
there is no obligation anywhere in the Transition Agreement requiring US Airways to move
flying in the service of East Pilots on East aircraft to West Pilots on West aircraft. Second,
currently, US Airways’ East operations are running near the minimum fleet and minimum
utilization requirements. Accordingly, if the Company were to move East flying to the West
operations, it would likely fall under the minimum fleet and utilization requirements for the East
operation, and thus would breach the Transition Agreement. Third, the Eischen Award also
requires that E190 flying be performed by East pilots until Operational Pilot Integration."
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/DFR_1_Filings/Doc053-1_Hemenway_Declaration.pdf