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im back..!! said:
You set up a union to get around binding arbitration and now you want to go around the APA?
 
 
Come on guys, i assume your smarter than school children....
 
in sports its called "falling on the ball", in some games you "take a knee" while the clock runs out.....
 
"DUUHHHH"...
 
a strategy in any sport, and you best believe this is nothing other than, in America (capitalism) business is sport, running out the clock is a very valid strategy.
 
when you feel you are ahead (a matter of perspective) you keep the opponent from scoring, thus winning the game.
 
if the east pilots felt that keeping the seniority they brought and having access to the seniority they stayed around for ( the retirement attrition) then a win for them was just that. they didn't need a new pay rate in a new contract. just their attrition. notice i didn't mention their opponents attrition, no.....just what they brought to the merger...
 
so, to act all uppity and question where is the "Bradford Letter".... wake up girlies..... even your daughter could see thru this, and your attorney's at wye river told you as much...
 
we fell on the ball..... and the rewards were long in coming, but are very sweet indeed at this time...
 
thank you AOL for making the tenure to get to this point so easy... all the badgering we got from the likes of you, showed us what we surely didn't want to give up.....
its time to quite getting all pissy about it like school girls. let it go. its done..... i kept my DOH till i got my Capt bid back. now I'm locked in "no bump/no flush"... read it and weep, but get over it, its embarrassing..
 
new list to come out in a few months, you can run to your mommies and show your huge seniority boost at that time... but you can't bump me...
 
good for you, good for me, now put it behind you and grow up....
 
EastUS1 said:
1) What would that "good reason" even possibly be now? The year in reality is 2015, not 2007.
 
2) "I'm looking forward to the starting point."...? Are you, even CAN you be the least bit serious here, after 8 years and counting? Is it even conceivable that you've yet to understand the true nature of the position your irrational obstinance has placed you in? When exactly is "the starting point" now scheduled for, and what do you honestly expect to happen when/if that magical day somehow ever arrives?....Whew!...No matter. Have a  good day.
His/her starting point is getting Kirby to provide $7,000 a month pay protection, retroactive to the new SLI list (but inexplicably not retroactive to the "starting point" of the Nic...).. Why does the Nic starting point begin when the new arbs publish an SLI rather than when Nic was published? Why doesn't Kirby owe them pay protection from the first "starting point"?

Why do we have to ask Westies to reveal the "starting point"?

Isn't the "starting point" contractually defined... as the status quo?
 
And this pathetic group signed our POS JCBA..............






These are the highlights of the recent tentative agreement with Delta Air Lines, now under discussion by your MEC. The MEC will vote in open session tomorrow whether to pass this agreement on to the membership for your ratification.

Compensation
The following are twelve-year rates:

Captain
Current
2015
2016
2017
2018
B747/B777/A350
$ 271.74
$ 293.48
$ 311.09
$ 320.42
$ 330.03
B787
$ 260.32
$ 281.15
$ 298.02
$ 306.96
$ 316.17
B767-400/A330
$ 256.68
$ 277.21
$ 293.84
$ 302.66
$ 311.74
B767/B757
$ 227.45
$ 245.65
$ 260.39
$ 268.20
$ 276.25
B737-900/A321
$ 219.25
$ 236.79
$ 251.00
$ 258.53
$ 266.29
B737-700/800
$ 218.11
$ 235.56
$ 249.69
$ 257.18
$ 264.90
A319/320
$ 210.46
$ 227.30
$ 240.94
$ 248.17
$ 255.62
MD-88/90
$ 206.69
$ 223.23
$ 236.62
$ 243.72
$ 251.03
B717
$ 196.26
$ 211.96
$ 224.68
$ 231.42
$ 238.36
E190/E195
$ 140.19
$ 177.96
$ 188.64
$ 194.30
$ 200.13
First Officer
Current
2015
2016
2017
2018
B747/B777/A350
$ 185.61
$ 200.46
$ 212.49
$ 218.86
$ 225.43
B787
$ 177.80
$ 192.02
$ 203.54
$ 209.65
$ 215.94
B767-400/A330
$ 175.31
$ 189.33
$ 200.69
$ 206.71
$ 212.91
B767/B757
$ 155.35
$ 167.78
$ 177.85
$ 183.19
$ 188.69
B737-900/A321
$ 149.75
$ 161.73
$ 171.43
$ 176.57
$ 181.87
B737-700/800
$ 148.97
$ 160.89
$ 170.54
$ 175.66
$ 180.93
A319/320
$ 143.75
$ 155.25
$ 164.57
$ 169.51
$ 174.60
MD-88/90
$ 141.17
$ 152.46
$ 161.61
$ 166.46
$ 171.45
B717
$ 134.03
$ 144.75
$ 153.44
$ 158.04
$ 162.78
E190/E195
$ 95.73
$ 121.56
$ 128.85
$ 132.72
$ 136.70

Industry leading hourly pay rates by the amendable date. Rate increases of:
8% on date of signing
6% on 1/1/16 (14.48% compounded on the amendable date)
3% on 1/1/17
3% on 1/1/18
· Hourly rates average 3.5% above American and 13.5% above United on 1/1/16 not including profit sharing
· Average $3,500 increase in monthly pay per pilot, $42,000 per year per pilot by 1/1/18
· DC increased from 15 to 16 percent on 1/1/2017
· Per diem increased $0.05 on date of signing, $0.05 on 1/1/2016 and 1/1/2017
· Per diem paid for deviation from deadhead with front or back end deviation
· Vacation pay increased from 3:15 to 3:30 per day (0:15 pay/no credit) on 4/1/16
· CQ training pay increased to 4:00 per day (from 3:45)
· A350 pay rate equal to B-777 rate
· A330-900 pay rate equal to A330-200/300
· A321 pay rate equal to B-737-900ER
· E190 pay rate equal to E195 rate
o Exceeds JetBlue E190 rate by:
§ $6.39/hour (3.5%) in 2016
§ $17.88/hour (9.8%) in 2018
· Company commits to adding a new small 100-seat narrow-body at Mainline by the second half of 2016
· Section 3 B. 4. “me-too” provision modified to include profit sharing at Delta, American, and United
· Entry-level pilot pay increases to mirror pay rate table increases
· Minimum pay increased to ALV for pilots in training
· Two hours of suit-up pay for pilots (off probation) meeting with Company representatives

Profit Sharing:
· 20% trigger modified from $2.5B to $6.0B for profit sharing distribution for year 2016 and onward (paid on 2/15/2017)
· 5.74% of variable compensation converted to fixed compensation in the form of hourly pay rates, assuming the Company achieves PTIX of $6.0+ billion every year
o This impact is reduced if PTIX is less than $6 billion
· No cap on profit sharing (no change)
· Change in PTIX definition:
o Treat management compensation same as other employees compensation
o Remove stock volatility from profit sharing calculation by removing gains/losses on equity securities
· Changes would not become effective until 2017 profit sharing payout
· Base pay rates increase 17.9% prior to first profit sharing payout under the new profit sharing formula

Scope
· Retains the limit of 76 seats at DCI
· DCI fleet shrinks to 425 from 450
· Total number of RJs is reduced by 5.6 percent, RJ seat count reduced by 2 percent
· With current limits of 223 76-seaters and 102 total 70-seaters, allows 25 additional 70 or 76-seat jets, but tied to deliveries of a 100-seat small narrow-body aircraft(1 70/76-seat RJ for every 2 100-seaters delivered to Delta)
· Enhances mainline to DCI block hour ratio from current 1.35 to 1.81 end-state
· Restrictions in Section 1 D. 4.–1 D. 6. eliminated due to the fact that DCI aircraft are held at a fixed amount of flying
· Trans-Atlantic Joint Venture scope modified to a 50 percent block hour capacity baseline.
o No longer using EASK metric, this includes a carve-out for flights between U.S. and U.K. due to the Virgin Atlantic Joint Venture.
o One-percent buffer, with a one-year measurement period and one year cure period
· Improves fragmentation language and improves control definition

Reroute:
· Pays premium pay if rerouted and not released within 4 hours of originally scheduled block-in (domestic) or 25 hours (international)
· Reroute limited to one calendar day (formerly limited to duty period)
· Removed “mechanical” from circumstances beyond Company control language related to reroute pay
o The only non-premium pay reroute is for WX on pilot’s routing and closure of origin/destination airport

Sick Leave, Disability and Retirement:
No change to hourly benefit, still max of 270 hours based on longevity
Voluntary verification and 100-hour verification replaced with a verification threshold trigger of 15 work days missed due to sickness per rolling 365-day period
Equates to approximately 80 hours for most pilots
2/3’s of pilots will never need to verify
Verified sick leave absence in excess of 20 consecutive calendar days does not count towards verification/medical release thresholds if:
due to surgery, hospitalization, or fractured bone prohibiting the exercise of your first class medical
Other serious medical condition at pilots option
· Rolling 365-day verification trigger is reset to zero for pilots who go on disability
Company to pay for verification only if requested on “good faith basis”
· 50% of unused sick leave credit hours below 80 hours each year will be used to fund a disability account for top off if a pilot goes on disability
· Increase disability benefit:
o Eliminated earned income offset after 36 months
· Increased LTD benefit duration for pilots diagnosed with psychiatric conditions
· Establish FAA leave for a pilot awaiting approval of his FAA medical certificate.
Will not count towards verification trigger
· Provides that a vacation payout at retirement is contributed to DPSP to the maximum extent permissible

Scheduling, Work Rules, and Quality Of Life:
· Section 23 G. 5. (trip drops for OE) modified
o 25% of block time awarded and 75% of projected OE block time held from line award
o Does not affect staffing requirements
· As part of a one-year test basis Letter of Agreement, the Targeted Line Value (TLV) will increase by 1 hour to 75-81
o Rotation Construction Committee rotation improvements tied to TLV as part of the test period
· “Reserves required” formula improved
o Enhances pilot ability to modify schedule
· Improved leveling for involuntary short call assignments
· Night period duty rig increased from 1 for 1.75 to 1 for 1.5
· Seniority List Instructor line guarantee of up to 22 hours including current recovery rules for duty periods removed by Company (except for sickness)
· Modifications for Seniority List Instructors to ensure pay for SLI duty periods missed due to sickness
· Surface deadhead pay doubled
· Provide New York-based pilots with up to 50% travel reimbursement ($50 max) when assigned a rotation from short call
· Includes language providing for consultation with ALPA related to ab initio training
· Increased LCA/AQFO pay to receive 15% override for entire duty period in which they perform any duties, rather than the individual legs
· Provides for a pilot to “Forget CQ Golden Days” in PBS
· Increases ALPA involvement in training-related matters
· Provides for Company option to implement virtual bases (likely) in MCO (run as a test via LOA) with restrictions and ALPA approval
· Option to be unavailable for first two hours of short call for all pilots
· Provided for premium pay on end of month asterisk trips, when the trip is extended:
o Regular pilots – paid single pay and credit for rotation and single pay, no credit for any duty day extension past the original rotation
o Reserve pilots – if flown into regular line by more than 1-day domestic or 3-day international, paid single pay and credit plus single pay, no credit for any duty periods past the threshold above
· Adds reserve short call pay: 1 hour pay and credit towards guarantee for each short call where the pilot was not used
· Utilize “crawler” to determine run-times for distance learning pay
· Vacation improvements (in addition to pay increase per day):
o Improve transparency in vacation move-up process
o Company will post estimated move-up weeks available by 25th of month, two months prior
o Establishes up to four Individual Vacation Days (IVDs) so pilots can get paid time off
§ May be used on two separate occasions
§ Taken from an existing vacation week selected by pilot
§ Same reserve requirements as APD for trip drop under IVD
· Improves crew meal language:
o Block hour trigger reduced to 5 hours (from 5+30)
o Caribbean turns – codifies current practice
o Early morning departure considerations
· FRMS (per Company) to address short call
· FRMS (per Company) to address 10-hour break after cancellation
· New hire training freeze increased to 24 months
o May be awarded an AE/VD after 12 months if initial qualification training required to change bases
o Remaining freeze added to new freeze from AE/VD award
· Training freeze for “short” courses reduced
o 12 month freeze for training courses with fewer than 12 curriculum days
· Furlough protection for all pilots on the seniority list as of date of signing
· Improves hotel language:
o Hotel for recency training in base for pilots living outside 50 miles
o Hotel Committee coordination to adjust pick up times based on time of day and/or day of week
· Establish “warm up” module if break in training is greater than 6 days
· MV/LOE re-check days no longer count as extra curriculum days
· Automates deadhead block times on non-Delta aircraft
· Scheduling to cover trips with report times between 0000-0400 two days prior
 
luvthe9 said:
And this pathetic group signed our POS JCBA..............






These are the highlights of the recent tentative agreement with Delta Air Lines, now under discussion by your MEC. The MEC will vote in open session tomorrow whether to pass this agreement on to the membership for your ratification.

Compensation
The following are twelve-year rates:

Captain
Current
2015
2016
2017
2018
B747/B777/A350
$ 271.74
$ 293.48
$ 311.09
$ 320.42
$ 330.03
B787
$ 260.32
$ 281.15
$ 298.02
$ 306.96
$ 316.17
B767-400/A330
$ 256.68
$ 277.21
$ 293.84
$ 302.66
$ 311.74
B767/B757
$ 227.45
$ 245.65
$ 260.39
$ 268.20
$ 276.25
B737-900/A321
$ 219.25
$ 236.79
$ 251.00
$ 258.53
$ 266.29
B737-700/800
$ 218.11
$ 235.56
$ 249.69
$ 257.18
$ 264.90
A319/320
$ 210.46
$ 227.30
$ 240.94
$ 248.17
$ 255.62
MD-88/90
$ 206.69
$ 223.23
$ 236.62
$ 243.72
$ 251.03
B717
$ 196.26
$ 211.96
$ 224.68
$ 231.42
$ 238.36
E190/E195
$ 140.19
$ 177.96
$ 188.64
$ 194.30
$ 200.13
First Officer
Current
2015
2016
2017
2018
B747/B777/A350
$ 185.61
$ 200.46
$ 212.49
$ 218.86
$ 225.43
B787
$ 177.80
$ 192.02
$ 203.54
$ 209.65
$ 215.94
B767-400/A330
$ 175.31
$ 189.33
$ 200.69
$ 206.71
$ 212.91
B767/B757
$ 155.35
$ 167.78
$ 177.85
$ 183.19
$ 188.69
B737-900/A321
$ 149.75
$ 161.73
$ 171.43
$ 176.57
$ 181.87
B737-700/800
$ 148.97
$ 160.89
$ 170.54
$ 175.66
$ 180.93
A319/320
$ 143.75
$ 155.25
$ 164.57
$ 169.51
$ 174.60
MD-88/90
$ 141.17
$ 152.46
$ 161.61
$ 166.46
$ 171.45
B717
$ 134.03
$ 144.75
$ 153.44
$ 158.04
$ 162.78
E190/E195
$ 95.73
$ 121.56
$ 128.85
$ 132.72
$ 136.70

Industry leading hourly pay rates by the amendable date. Rate increases of:
8% on date of signing
6% on 1/1/16 (14.48% compounded on the amendable date)
3% on 1/1/17
3% on 1/1/18
· Hourly rates average 3.5% above American and 13.5% above United on 1/1/16 not including profit sharing
· Average $3,500 increase in monthly pay per pilot, $42,000 per year per pilot by 1/1/18
· DC increased from 15 to 16 percent on 1/1/2017
· Per diem increased $0.05 on date of signing, $0.05 on 1/1/2016 and 1/1/2017
· Per diem paid for deviation from deadhead with front or back end deviation
· Vacation pay increased from 3:15 to 3:30 per day (0:15 pay/no credit) on 4/1/16
· CQ training pay increased to 4:00 per day (from 3:45)
· A350 pay rate equal to B-777 rate
· A330-900 pay rate equal to A330-200/300
· A321 pay rate equal to B-737-900ER
· E190 pay rate equal to E195 rate
o Exceeds JetBlue E190 rate by:
§ $6.39/hour (3.5%) in 2016
§ $17.88/hour (9.8%) in 2018
· Company commits to adding a new small 100-seat narrow-body at Mainline by the second half of 2016
· Section 3 B. 4. “me-too” provision modified to include profit sharing at Delta, American, and United
· Entry-level pilot pay increases to mirror pay rate table increases
· Minimum pay increased to ALV for pilots in training
· Two hours of suit-up pay for pilots (off probation) meeting with Company representatives

Profit Sharing:
· 20% trigger modified from $2.5B to $6.0B for profit sharing distribution for year 2016 and onward (paid on 2/15/2017)
· 5.74% of variable compensation converted to fixed compensation in the form of hourly pay rates, assuming the Company achieves PTIX of $6.0+ billion every year
o This impact is reduced if PTIX is less than $6 billion
· No cap on profit sharing (no change)
· Change in PTIX definition:
o Treat management compensation same as other employees compensation
o Remove stock volatility from profit sharing calculation by removing gains/losses on equity securities
· Changes would not become effective until 2017 profit sharing payout
· Base pay rates increase 17.9% prior to first profit sharing payout under the new profit sharing formula

Scope
· Retains the limit of 76 seats at DCI
· DCI fleet shrinks to 425 from 450
· Total number of RJs is reduced by 5.6 percent, RJ seat count reduced by 2 percent
· With current limits of 223 76-seaters and 102 total 70-seaters, allows 25 additional 70 or 76-seat jets, but tied to deliveries of a 100-seat small narrow-body aircraft(1 70/76-seat RJ for every 2 100-seaters delivered to Delta)
· Enhances mainline to DCI block hour ratio from current 1.35 to 1.81 end-state
· Restrictions in Section 1 D. 4.–1 D. 6. eliminated due to the fact that DCI aircraft are held at a fixed amount of flying
· Trans-Atlantic Joint Venture scope modified to a 50 percent block hour capacity baseline.
o No longer using EASK metric, this includes a carve-out for flights between U.S. and U.K. due to the Virgin Atlantic Joint Venture.
o One-percent buffer, with a one-year measurement period and one year cure period
· Improves fragmentation language and improves control definition

Reroute:
· Pays premium pay if rerouted and not released within 4 hours of originally scheduled block-in (domestic) or 25 hours (international)
· Reroute limited to one calendar day (formerly limited to duty period)
· Removed “mechanical” from circumstances beyond Company control language related to reroute pay
o The only non-premium pay reroute is for WX on pilot’s routing and closure of origin/destination airport

Sick Leave, Disability and Retirement:
No change to hourly benefit, still max of 270 hours based on longevity
Voluntary verification and 100-hour verification replaced with a verification threshold trigger of 15 work days missed due to sickness per rolling 365-day period
Equates to approximately 80 hours for most pilots
2/3’s of pilots will never need to verify
Verified sick leave absence in excess of 20 consecutive calendar days does not count towards verification/medical release thresholds if:
due to surgery, hospitalization, or fractured bone prohibiting the exercise of your first class medical
Other serious medical condition at pilots option
· Rolling 365-day verification trigger is reset to zero for pilots who go on disability
Company to pay for verification only if requested on “good faith basis”
· 50% of unused sick leave credit hours below 80 hours each year will be used to fund a disability account for top off if a pilot goes on disability
· Increase disability benefit:
o Eliminated earned income offset after 36 months
· Increased LTD benefit duration for pilots diagnosed with psychiatric conditions
· Establish FAA leave for a pilot awaiting approval of his FAA medical certificate.
Will not count towards verification trigger
· Provides that a vacation payout at retirement is contributed to DPSP to the maximum extent permissible

Scheduling, Work Rules, and Quality Of Life:
· Section 23 G. 5. (trip drops for OE) modified
o 25% of block time awarded and 75% of projected OE block time held from line award
o Does not affect staffing requirements
· As part of a one-year test basis Letter of Agreement, the Targeted Line Value (TLV) will increase by 1 hour to 75-81
o Rotation Construction Committee rotation improvements tied to TLV as part of the test period
· “Reserves required” formula improved
o Enhances pilot ability to modify schedule
· Improved leveling for involuntary short call assignments
· Night period duty rig increased from 1 for 1.75 to 1 for 1.5
· Seniority List Instructor line guarantee of up to 22 hours including current recovery rules for duty periods removed by Company (except for sickness)
· Modifications for Seniority List Instructors to ensure pay for SLI duty periods missed due to sickness
· Surface deadhead pay doubled
· Provide New York-based pilots with up to 50% travel reimbursement ($50 max) when assigned a rotation from short call
· Includes language providing for consultation with ALPA related to ab initio training
· Increased LCA/AQFO pay to receive 15% override for entire duty period in which they perform any duties, rather than the individual legs
· Provides for a pilot to “Forget CQ Golden Days” in PBS
· Increases ALPA involvement in training-related matters
· Provides for Company option to implement virtual bases (likely) in MCO (run as a test via LOA) with restrictions and ALPA approval
· Option to be unavailable for first two hours of short call for all pilots
· Provided for premium pay on end of month asterisk trips, when the trip is extended:
o Regular pilots – paid single pay and credit for rotation and single pay, no credit for any duty day extension past the original rotation
o Reserve pilots – if flown into regular line by more than 1-day domestic or 3-day international, paid single pay and credit plus single pay, no credit for any duty periods past the threshold above
· Adds reserve short call pay: 1 hour pay and credit towards guarantee for each short call where the pilot was not used
· Utilize “crawler” to determine run-times for distance learning pay
· Vacation improvements (in addition to pay increase per day):
o Improve transparency in vacation move-up process
o Company will post estimated move-up weeks available by 25th of month, two months prior
o Establishes up to four Individual Vacation Days (IVDs) so pilots can get paid time off
§ May be used on two separate occasions
§ Taken from an existing vacation week selected by pilot
§ Same reserve requirements as APD for trip drop under IVD
· Improves crew meal language:
o Block hour trigger reduced to 5 hours (from 5+30)
o Caribbean turns – codifies current practice
o Early morning departure considerations
· FRMS (per Company) to address short call
· FRMS (per Company) to address 10-hour break after cancellation
· New hire training freeze increased to 24 months
o May be awarded an AE/VD after 12 months if initial qualification training required to change bases
o Remaining freeze added to new freeze from AE/VD award
· Training freeze for “short” courses reduced
o 12 month freeze for training courses with fewer than 12 curriculum days
· Furlough protection for all pilots on the seniority list as of date of signing
· Improves hotel language:
o Hotel for recency training in base for pilots living outside 50 miles
o Hotel Committee coordination to adjust pick up times based on time of day and/or day of week
· Establish “warm up” module if break in training is greater than 6 days
· MV/LOE re-check days no longer count as extra curriculum days
· Automates deadhead block times on non-Delta aircraft
· Scheduling to cover trips with report times between 0000-0400 two days prior
I voted no.  I copied the ballot for future reference.  
 
East Cheats: your legal comments please on the Federal Crime aspect referenced in the video. Was that covered at Phoenix Summit?
 
west pilots melting down on Aarena with Sullenberger envy. Nice try west pilots. Soon Clint Eastwood will elevate Sullenberger and Skiles to new levels. There is nothing you can do except present your weak TOGA pleas.
Mitchell Vasin looks more and more idiotic every day.

Today, March 07, 2013, 1 hour ago | FloydGo to full article
Dave: Thanks for responding. HOWEVER, there are numerous inaccuracies that I hope you don't mind I point out. 1. USAPA was elected by the MAJORITY of the points at USAirways and it is recognized by the DOL as the legitimate CBA; if you can't handle the truth, I'm truly sorry. 2. There WERE NOT 1800 furloughed pilots placed senior to active pilots at AWA. In fact there almost that number flying at Mid Atlantic Airlines and Jet for Job Carriers that still were paid by USAirways. You might want to check your facts on that factoid. 3. The formation of USAPA was WELL underway long before the "Nacalau Award; in fact, the effort had its legs well before ALPA gave-away our Defined Benefit Retirement Program as a result of the corporation misleading the court as to both its funding levels and their ability or inability to emerge from Bankruptcy with or without funding their obligation(s). 4. The "average age difference," remains FAR greater than you suggest ~ the AWA guys placed around me, were nine and 10 years younger than me and I'm a 1985 hire! So, try AGAIN! 5. Dismal Safety Record? All Legacy Carriers have had their accidents over the years. Congratulations to the professionals at AWA for having a great record! Perhaps that's attributed to the fact that AWA started operations in 1983. That's a FAR CRY from Legacy Carriers who have their routes back to the post-WWII period. 6. On the RICO suit ~ The suit was dropped by USAPA to promote a better relationship between the two Pilot Groups. Considering the thug-like behavior of those involved, personally, I think that was a poor move. 7. On the pilots that were forced to pay their USAPA dues: DO YOU know the definition of a Closed Shop? Dues Payments are mandated by, not only Federal Law but also by the the CBA that represents the pilots at USAirways. 8. Regarding Sully's testimony in court: "Integrity means doing the right thing even if it's not convenient." Sorry, you aren't able to convince me that allowing the previous AWA pilots to enjoy the EXTREME WINDFALL that they saw in the Nicalau, is ANYWHERE close to "doing the right thing," frankly I call it ABSURD! By the way, while we are discussing "the right thing, even if it's not convenient," please tell me about the 89 AWA pilots who crossed the Anset Picket Line as SCABS in an attempt to break the Anset Strike? Was THAT the right thing to do, in your skewed book of morality? 9. In my opinion, Sully isn't liked by your group because of the superior pilot he truly is! Since he has his MBA and is an Air Force Academy graduate, you guys may not be able to grasp that since only 23 percent of you have your College Degrees or better. 10. As to the longevity of USAPA ~ frankly, I don't really care. Assuming APA becomes our CBA, I'm sure they will do a fine job representing us. Lastly, since McCaskill-Bond is now Federal Law and dictates that airline employees from differing CBA's will be merged on slotting based on DOH. You might want to review the varying aspects of the MOU which has numerous references to McCaskill-Bond and EVEN the cornerstones of McCaskill-Bond, the Allegheny / Mohawk merger. You see, the arbitrator granted the Mohawk pilots DOH when Allegheny purchased them in 1972, even though a strike had shutdown Mohawk for six months! You see Dave, DOH mergers have been the bedrock of the Airline Community for decades ~ I urge you to get over the Nicalau "award," seeing that it was indeed a absurd windfall for the AWA pilots, AT THE EXPENSE of the USAirways' pilots. Furthermore you fellows in PHX might consider discontinuing your "donations" to Eric. Eventually, you'll learn that your money and teeth gnashing have all been in vane. My best, Floyd
 
autofixer said:
I voted no.  I copied the ballot for future reference.  
Funny, I cant find anyone who voted for this POS now ,but luv to the hear everyone complain about this JCBA,  APA is weak.
 
 
But do not worry that weak d**k Wilson says now is the time to start working on a Delta contract,  geez he has 6 to 8 years to work on it. :lol:  :lol:
 
luvthe9 said:
Funny, I cant find anyone who voted for this POS now ,but luv to the hear everyone complain about this JCBA,  APA is weak.
 
 
But do not worry that weak d**k Wilson says now is the time to start working on a Delta contract,  geez he has 6 to 8 years to work on it. :lol:  :lol:
Wilson couldn't score a Delta contract to work under.. Even if he quit working here for Parker and Glass and got hired at Delta.
 
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Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Jetz and props
Ratings: ATP, MEI, FE B-727, B-737 type
Curr Position: Flying for the aquiring airline
Total Time: 11,000
Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.
September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281
VIA EMAIL
Dear Doug:
I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.
I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.
While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.
Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO
EastCheats, is this letter admissible in court? Would you please ask Mitch: is this commentary considered good practice at Arizona Summit Law School?
 
Claxon said:
EastCheats, is this letter admissible in court? Would you please ask Mitch: is this commentary considered good practice at Arizona Summit Law School?

I think little Mitch is jealous of Sully.
 
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