america west pilot produced video. At 4:00 in to the video pause and look at those america west pilot names.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWQijTyim7k
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We are not the bargaining agent yet we are still trying to get new hires to join USAPA.
"Joining USAPA is a way of allowing your voice to be heard in the process."
Isn't that the job of the APA?
Fellow American and recently hired pilots
The APA/USAPA/West-pilot seniority integration process will soon be upon us all. USAPA is no longer the Collective Bargaining agent for former US Airways pilots but will represent "East" pilots in that process.
In an effort to keep our new American pilots informed and to allow their voices to be heard USAPA would like to offer membership in USAPA to those pilots who have not yet become members and who would like to join. As a benefit of membership you will receive all the information that other USAPA pilots receive via email regarding the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process and other information that may affect your career.
There are no dues or assessments. USAPA is not your certified bargaining agent but will be representing East pilots in the McCaskill Bond process. USAPA no longer receives information on new pilots hired at American in Philadelphia (PHL), Charlotte, (CLT) and Washington (DCA) and so we are reaching out to you via Pilot Crew Rooms.
There is no obligation to join. Joining USAPA is a way of allowing your voice to be heard in the process. Joining simply filling out a membership application form.
Please include an email address for a prompt reply. Your membership status will be voted on at the next USAPA meeting.
"Joining USAPA is a way of allowing your voice to be heard in the process."
Isn't that the job of the APA?
Fellow American and recently hired pilots
The APA/USAPA/West-pilot seniority integration process will soon be upon us all. USAPA is no longer the Collective Bargaining agent for former US Airways pilots but will represent "East" pilots in that process.
In an effort to keep our new American pilots informed and to allow their voices to be heard USAPA would like to offer membership in USAPA to those pilots who have not yet become members and who would like to join. As a benefit of membership you will receive all the information that other USAPA pilots receive via email regarding the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process and other information that may affect your career.
There are no dues or assessments. USAPA is not your certified bargaining agent but will be representing East pilots in the McCaskill Bond process. USAPA no longer receives information on new pilots hired at American in Philadelphia (PHL), Charlotte, (CLT) and Washington (DCA) and so we are reaching out to you via Pilot Crew Rooms.
There is no obligation to join. Joining USAPA is a way of allowing your voice to be heard in the process. Joining simply filling out a membership application form.
Please include an email address for a prompt reply. Your membership status will be voted on at the next USAPA meeting.
im back..!! said:
Agreed, (save for my one-and-only attempted jump seat experience on west metal years ago now). Within just this last week; I had enjoyable chats with two more gents of the west persuasion that I'd not previously met. My contempt's always been solely directed at those of theirs that want something-for-nothing, just via the nic, and haven't the slightest moral qualms about trying to usurp as much as even 17 served years from my/our junior coworkers. The sad part of all this mess involves their senior guys/gals who've actually WORKED years "here"...and are stymied in PHX by some arrogant, self-obsessed infants of the 2004-5 hire zone, it would largely seem.
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snapthis said:
I don't think they will get anybody to join and have that Usapian stench attached to them the rest of their careers.
im back..!! said:
That's arguably the best overall summary I've ever seen posted.
Given another year-and-a-half to two years/whatever; the wholesale career devastation the nic would've meant back in 2007, even were it to somehow magically, ever even emerge in future/ANY reality, would be a tiny and pale little shadow in comparison.
CactusPilot1 said:
Sigh....Feel better now son? That's good. Now; just take a few full, long deep breaths...stretch out a bit, and let's hear another earth-shaking roar of "This is Sparta!"...If you're not up to that; perhaps at least some under-your-breath murmurs of "Integrity Matters"...? 😉
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The author of the letter reaching out to AA's new hires also went attorney shopping to figure out a way to get out of binding arbitration. The attorney cautioned:
However, he cautioned, the language you use in setting up your new union and how you go about talking and writing about your solutions to this award can be used against you. You need to stress he positives of the new union and not dwell on the award. Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud.
You set up a union to get around binding arbitration and now you want to go around the APA?
However, he cautioned, the language you use in setting up your new union and how you go about talking and writing about your solutions to this award can be used against you. You need to stress he positives of the new union and not dwell on the award. Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud.
You set up a union to get around binding arbitration and now you want to go around the APA?
snapthis said:
It's been over 8 full years now, and "you'se" have yet to find any magical "Larry Potta" wand with which to make the nic at all real and actual. Good luck with all your childish fantasies and just have a good day.
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Do you realize that any majority could have stopped the Nic by voting down a contract. Captains make up a majority, Narrow body airbus pilots make up a majority. If the majority of a group doesn't want a new contract, is it not the obligation of the union to respect their wishes?snapthis said:
Remember:
Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.....
If it sounds to good to be true(meaning the Nic)then it probably is....
Life is all about negotiation(especially if you are married!)
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From: "Stephen Bradford"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Leaving ALPA
Wednesday, May 16, 2007
ALPA Executive Board
Dear Captain Webber,
Very shortly, I will be making a decision that I never thought I would
have to make in my 20 years of wearing this ALPA pin. Moreover, that
decision is to remove ALPA as my collective bargaining representative
from US Airways. Why? Just sour grapes and the childish wish to stick
it to national? Just so we can show them whose boss and deny them the
dues?
None of the above are correct. We must leave ALPA if this award stands
because our great leader, Doug Parker, thinks the industry needs more
consolidation. He has already made a very ill advised run on Delta and
he will be looking for another partner soon. The pilots of US Airways
cannot go into another round of seniority negotiations with this award
as the starting point in our negotiations.
Bradford had good reason to worry in 2007.
I'm looking forward to the starting point.
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Leaving ALPA
Wednesday, May 16, 2007
ALPA Executive Board
Dear Captain Webber,
Very shortly, I will be making a decision that I never thought I would
have to make in my 20 years of wearing this ALPA pin. Moreover, that
decision is to remove ALPA as my collective bargaining representative
from US Airways. Why? Just sour grapes and the childish wish to stick
it to national? Just so we can show them whose boss and deny them the
dues?
None of the above are correct. We must leave ALPA if this award stands
because our great leader, Doug Parker, thinks the industry needs more
consolidation. He has already made a very ill advised run on Delta and
he will be looking for another partner soon. The pilots of US Airways
cannot go into another round of seniority negotiations with this award
as the starting point in our negotiations.
Bradford had good reason to worry in 2007.
I'm looking forward to the starting point.
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CactusPilot1 said:
My guess....they will get more new hires to join USAPA than will buy $675 AOL ties.
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nycbusdriver said:
Do they get free pizza with their membership?
snapthis said:
1) What would that "good reason" even possibly be now? The year in reality is 2015, not 2007.
2) "I'm looking forward to the starting point."...? Are you, even CAN you be the least bit serious here, after 8 years and counting? Is it even conceivable that you've yet to understand the true nature of the position your irrational obstinance has placed you in? When exactly is "the starting point" now scheduled for, and what do you honestly expect to happen when/if that magical day somehow ever arrives?....Whew!...No matter. Have a good day.
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