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EastUS1 said:
 
I see now. Merely being absorbed into a larger corporate entity, through absolutely no/zip/zero effort or ability of your own, somehow qualifies as making "the cut" to you? Sigh...Given the "spartan's" similar psychology regarding the nic; why am I not surprised?
 
Psychology. You must be a x-spert. How'd things go during the last visit?
 
Did you talk about..
 
Spartans?
 
Dire Wolves?
 
Arbitration?
 
Liberty ties?
 
Any other scary stuff that keeps you up at night?
 
luvthe9 said:
They in no way "made the cut". They road our coat tails to where they are now and in reality do not belong here.
 
Road our coat tails?
 
Rode, not road. Unless you like to get run over. Which seems normal for you. 😉
 
Who's coattails did you ride to fill out your employment application?

 
 
EastCheats said:
Road our coat tails?
 
Rode, not road. Unless you like to get run over. Which seems normal for you. 😉
 
Who's coattails did you ride to fill out your employment application?
Thanks, my bad on the auto spell on the iPad, just be lucky we saved you from Project Zanibar.
 
luvthe9 said:
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Are you sure you're a member a lot of you west scabs did not make it in, do you wear the west scab Liberty tie or the APA grey unity tie.
 
Really Cubby?  Let's see what the dictionary says:  "A Lot" - very many, a large number; also, very much.
 
I don't think you have a sun's RAY of understanding what "a lot" means.  Frankly, I think it's CRIMInal for you to continue to cast such aspersions, when you live in a glass house - so to speak.
 
Dave
 
cactusboy53 said:
Really Cubby?  Let's see what the dictionary says:  "A Lot" - very many, a large number; also, very much.
 
I don't think you have a sun's RAY of understanding what "a lot" means.  Frankly, I think it's CRIMInal for you to continue to cast such aspersions, when you live in a glass house - so to speak.
 
Dave
Cute.
How many more days until Mitch Vaselino and Eric roll out their 2005 moth eaten Nicolau list?
Word has it Jeff Freund is trying to talk the 2004 hires out of their scheme, but they will not listen. Jeff has laid out some very compelling evidence about his past beliefs regarding the Nic.



U-Turn has always believed the NIC had to be accepted. The TA speaks for itself, or does it? Today, were not so sure. There was Doug Parkers statement in the Training Center on July 8th that he thought the NIC was negotiable (well see what happenswe wont draw line in the sand). That statement tracks with what our own Merger Attorney wrote in court-filed papers last summer. He said the company has no obligation to accept the Nicolau Award. Read the next paragraph from his response to last summers absurd East MEC Vs West MEC law suit. The East MEC was the plaintiff. Freunds reply to the East MEC lawsuit (emphasis added):

1.Thus, the arbitration award Plaintiffs purportedly seek to vacate is in actuality the proposed pilot seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the Company, but which (like a union bargaining position in any matter) the Company is not required to accept. Application, Ex.1 at 2,9 (ALPA will present to the company the merged seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy arbitration procedures, and ALPA will use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority list). Plaintiffs seek review of this ALPA bargaining position developed through ALPA Merger Policy, and, while couching it in the terms of vacating and arbitration, the relief they actually seek is a review of the product of ALPAs Merger Policy, and, ultimately, alteration of ALPAs bargaining proposal to the companyPlaintiffs Application to vacate an arbitration award that does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the Company, but which merely sets out ALPAs bargaining position to be presented to the company, is not a state law claim at all but rather an artfully pled Federal claim for breech of Duty of Fair Representation.

Our MECs merger (and now AWAPPAs) attorney said the NIC was in actuality the proposed seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the company, but whichthe company is not required to accept, that it is only a part of ALPA overall bargaining proposal, and that NIC does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the Company. The way we read the above is that since the Nicolau seniority list isnt enforceable on the company, the East had no right to challenge it last summer.

If you think were taking the above out of context, Google and read the entire response, prepared by West Merger Attorney. Case 1:07-cv-01309-EGS Document 1 Filed 07/24/2007 Freunds response for the West MEC is 125 pages, but the important pages are 3-6. They spell out exactly what our Merger attorney thinks about whether the company must accept the NIC. According to him, they dont.

WHAT WILL JEFF FREUND SAY WHEN HE IS PUT ON THE WITNESS STAND????
 
cactusboy53 said:
Really Cubby?  Let's see what the dictionary says:  "A Lot" - very many, a large number; also, very much.
 
I don't think you have a sun's RAY of understanding what "a lot" means.  Frankly, I think it's CRIMInal for you to continue to cast such aspersions, when you live in a glass house - so to speak.
 
Dave
Ray is probably a scab. He got on that list somehow.
Your problem is this- you have at least 100 to incorporate into another cute story Dave.
 
Clint Eastwood to direct film about pilot hero Chesley Sullenberger
Miracle on the Hudson will tell the true story of the airline pilot whose 2009 water landing saved 155 lived




At the grand age of 85, Clint Eastwood finds himself the hottest director in Hollywood, following the barnstorming box-office success of Iraq war drama American Sniper. Now the Oscar-winning film-maker has revealed his next movie will tell the story of another all-American hero: veteran pilot Captain Chesley Sully Sullenberger.

Sullenberger piloted US Airways Flight 1549 into the Hudson river on 15 January 2009, saving the lives of all 155 passengers and crew on board. The Airbus A320 had hit a flock of Canada geese during its climb out of nearby LaGuardia airport in Queens, New York.
 
The East pilots made an agreement, including the part of keeping the nic out and the ability to keep the nic on a shelf, with no expiration date. The East pilots decided to honor this agreement with the no nic philosophy. The East pilots decided that alpa would not honor this agreement so they fired them.  The East pilots started a new union they trusted that would inherit the agreement. 
 
The nic sits on a shelf in the USAPA library, with a copy of the original union van title. The East pilots essentially and eventually decided what was best for them and they lived happily ever after.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TwophNpks
 
"Of course, USAPA wishes the issue to center on the West Pilots “right” to
be part of the SLI process because it believes that the West Pilots do not have
such an independent right. This is exactly what the court said in Addington III;
that only the certified and exclusive bargaining representative has the right to
appoint Merger Committees to participate in the SLI process.
Based on the court’s decision in Addington III, one could argue that the West Pilots do not have an independent right to take part in the SLI process. The Preliminary Arbitration Board takes no position with respect to this particular matter, as it is currently being appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals."
 
"The West Pilots deny that the issue before the Board is whether or not
West Pilots have an independent legal right to participate in the SLI proceedings.
Any attempt to reframe the issue in this manner should be dismissed by the
Board, the West Pilots insist. Whether the West Pilots have a separate and
independent legal right to engage in SLI negotiations and arbitration is irrelevant,........
 
http://nebula.wsimg.com/f40aed0ca68a6241438e31c090df3525?AccessKeyId=28158D289DABE0EBE265&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
 
cactusboy53 said:
Really Cubby?  Let's see what the dictionary says:  "A Lot" - very many, a large number; also, very much.
 
I don't think you have a sun's RAY of understanding what "a lot" means.  Frankly, I think it's CRIMInal for you to continue to cast such aspersions, when you live in a glass house - so to speak.
 
Dave
Yes, AWA scab ridden airline, your personal hero is Dan Cloud, right


Did you mean chubby or cubby?

I bet that's you in the Ansett video, one proud scab. Bet you watch that over and over.
 
Chesley Sullenbergers' words will come to haunt Mitch Vasin.
APA return message to Vasin and Ferguson after west reveals they will put furloughed LAA pilots on bottom....


BRACE FOR IMPACT........
 
EastCheats said:
Any other scary stuff that keeps you up at night?
 
Not-so-much, but then I don't even have to sleep in an "Integrity Matters" T-shirt to feel good about myself either.
 
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