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cactusboy53 said:
 
Really Cubby?  Let's see what the dictionary says:  "A Lot" - very many, a large number; also, very much.
 
OK then. I'm sure we're all wanting to be completely fair here, so what WAS the total count of proven and actual scabs sent against Ansett, or previously Wien, et al from your fine bunch? How many does it take in your estimation to constitute "A LOT"?...? Be so kind as to give us all a final tally so no one has to wonder....?
 
Don't be the least bit bashfull here. After all "Integrity Matters"....or does it really matter to you? I think not, but an honest answer to the total scabs number would mark a most refreshing change as at least a first attempt there.
 
P.S. Should we add in all the wannabe scabs of yours that so gleefully posted their earnest desires to cross any USAPA picket line the first chance they got?
 
WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PILOT GROUP? WHY DOES THIS GROUP THINK WE DONT DESERVE A CONTRACT LIKE THIS! I CANT UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE WOULD SIGN THAT POS JCBA. THE APA IS PITIFUL.


AND IT MKES NO DIFFERENCE IF YOU EAST WEST OR APA!






Highlights of the 2015 Tentative Agreement

These are the highlights of the recent tentative agreement with Delta Air Lines, now under discussion by your MEC. The MEC will vote in open session tomorrow whether to pass this agreement on to the membership for your ratification.

Compensation
The following are twelve-year rates:

Captain
Current
2015
2016
2017
2018
B747/B777/A350
$ 271.74
$ 293.48
$ 311.09
$ 320.42
$ 330.03
B787
$ 260.32
$ 281.15
$ 298.02
$ 306.96
$ 316.17
B767-400/A330
$ 256.68
$ 277.21
$ 293.84
$ 302.66
$ 311.74
B767/B757
$ 227.45
$ 245.65
$ 260.39
$ 268.20
$ 276.25
B737-900/A321
$ 219.25
$ 236.79
$ 251.00
$ 258.53
$ 266.29
B737-700/800
$ 218.11
$ 235.56
$ 249.69
$ 257.18
$ 264.90
A319/320
$ 210.46
$ 227.30
$ 240.94
$ 248.17
$ 255.62
MD-88/90
$ 206.69
$ 223.23
$ 236.62
$ 243.72
$ 251.03
B717
$ 196.26
$ 211.96
$ 224.68
$ 231.42
$ 238.36
E190/E195
$ 140.19
$ 177.96
$ 188.64
$ 194.30
$ 200.13
First Officer
Current
2015
2016
2017
2018
B747/B777/A350
$ 185.61
$ 200.46
$ 212.49
$ 218.86
$ 225.43
B787
$ 177.80
$ 192.02
$ 203.54
$ 209.65
$ 215.94
B767-400/A330
$ 175.31
$ 189.33
$ 200.69
$ 206.71
$ 212.91
B767/B757
$ 155.35
$ 167.78
$ 177.85
$ 183.19
$ 188.69
B737-900/A321
$ 149.75
$ 161.73
$ 171.43
$ 176.57
$ 181.87
B737-700/800
$ 148.97
$ 160.89
$ 170.54
$ 175.66
$ 180.93
A319/320
$ 143.75
$ 155.25
$ 164.57
$ 169.51
$ 174.60
MD-88/90
$ 141.17
$ 152.46
$ 161.61
$ 166.46
$ 171.45
B717
$ 134.03
$ 144.75
$ 153.44
$ 158.04
$ 162.78
E190/E195
$ 95.73
$ 121.56
$ 128.85
$ 132.72
$ 136.70

Industry leading hourly pay rates by the amendable date. Rate increases of:
8% on date of signing
6% on 1/1/16 (14.48% compounded on the amendable date)
3% on 1/1/17
3% on 1/1/18
· Hourly rates average 3.5% above American and 13.5% above United on 1/1/16 not including profit sharing
· Average $3,500 increase in monthly pay per pilot, $42,000 per year per pilot by 1/1/18
· DC increased from 15 to 16 percent on 1/1/2017
· Per diem increased $0.05 on date of signing, $0.05 on 1/1/2016 and 1/1/2017
· Per diem paid for deviation from deadhead with front or back end deviation
· Vacation pay increased from 3:15 to 3:30 per day (0:15 pay/no credit) on 4/1/16
· CQ training pay increased to 4:00 per day (from 3:45)
· A350 pay rate equal to B-777 rate
· A330-900 pay rate equal to A330-200/300
· A321 pay rate equal to B-737-900ER
· E190 pay rate equal to E195 rate
o Exceeds JetBlue E190 rate by:
§ $6.39/hour (3.5%) in 2016
§ $17.88/hour (9.8%) in 2018
· Company commits to adding a new small 100-seat narrow-body at Mainline by the second half of 2016
· Section 3 B. 4. me-too provision modified to include profit sharing at Delta, American, and United
· Entry-level pilot pay increases to mirror pay rate table increases
· Minimum pay increased to ALV for pilots in training
· Two hours of suit-up pay for pilots (off probation) meeting with Company representatives

Profit Sharing:
· 20% trigger modified from $2.5B to $6.0B for profit sharing distribution for year 2016 and onward (paid on 2/15/2017)
· 5.74% of variable compensation converted to fixed compensation in the form of hourly pay rates, assuming the Company achieves PTIX of $6.0+ billion every year
o This impact is reduced if PTIX is less than $6 billion
· No cap on profit sharing (no change)
· Change in PTIX definition:
o Treat management compensation same as other employees compensation
o Remove stock volatility from profit sharing calculation by removing gains/losses on equity securities
· Changes would not become effective until 2017 profit sharing payout
· Base pay rates increase 17.9% prior to first profit sharing payout under the new profit sharing formula

Scope
· Retains the limit of 76 seats at DCI
· DCI fleet shrinks to 425 from 450
· Total number of RJs is reduced by 5.6 percent, RJ seat count reduced by 2 percent
· With current limits of 223 76-seaters and 102 total 70-seaters, allows 25 additional 70 or 76-seat jets, but tied to deliveries of a 100-seat small narrow-body aircraft(1 70/76-seat RJ for every 2 100-seaters delivered to Delta)
· Enhances mainline to DCI block hour ratio from current 1.35 to 1.81 end-state
· Restrictions in Section 1 D. 4.1 D. 6. eliminated due to the fact that DCI aircraft are held at a fixed amount of flying
· Trans-Atlantic Joint Venture scope modified to a 50 percent block hour capacity baseline.
o No longer using EASK metric, this includes a carve-out for flights between U.S. and U.K. due to the Virgin Atlantic Joint Venture.
o One-percent buffer, with a one-year measurement period and one year cure period
· Improves fragmentation language and improves control definition

Reroute:
· Pays premium pay if rerouted and not released within 4 hours of originally scheduled block-in (domestic) or 25 hours (international)
· Reroute limited to one calendar day (formerly limited to duty period)
· Removed mechanical from circumstances beyond Company control language related to reroute pay
o The only non-premium pay reroute is for WX on pilots routing and closure of origin/destination airport

Sick Leave, Disability and Retirement:
No change to hourly benefit, still max of 270 hours based on longevity
Voluntary verification and 100-hour verification replaced with a verification threshold trigger of 15 work days missed due to sickness per rolling 365-day period
Equates to approximately 80 hours for most pilots
2/3s of pilots will never need to verify
Verified sick leave absence in excess of 20 consecutive calendar days does not count towards verification/medical release thresholds if:
due to surgery, hospitalization, or fractured bone prohibiting the exercise of your first class medical
Other serious medical condition at pilots option
· Rolling 365-day verification trigger is reset to zero for pilots who go on disability
Company to pay for verification only if requested on good faith basis
· 50% of unused sick leave credit hours below 80 hours each year will be used to fund a disability account for top off if a pilot goes on disability
· Increase disability benefit:
o Eliminated earned income offset after 36 months
· Increased LTD benefit duration for pilots diagnosed with psychiatric conditions
· Establish FAA leave for a pilot awaiting approval of his FAA medical certificate.
Will not count towards verification trigger
· Provides that a vacation payout at retirement is contributed to DPSP to the maximum extent permissible

Scheduling, Work Rules, and Quality Of Life:
· Section 23 G. 5. (trip drops for OE) modified
o 25% of block time awarded and 75% of projected OE block time held from line award
o Does not affect staffing requirements
· As part of a one-year test basis Letter of Agreement, the Targeted Line Value (TLV) will increase by 1 hour to 75-81
o Rotation Construction Committee rotation improvements tied to TLV as part of the test period
· Reserves required formula improved
o Enhances pilot ability to modify schedule
· Improved leveling for involuntary short call assignments
· Night period duty rig increased from 1 for 1.75 to 1 for 1.5
· Seniority List Instructor line guarantee of up to 22 hours including current recovery rules for duty periods removed by Company (except for sickness)
· Modifications for Seniority List Instructors to ensure pay for SLI duty periods missed due to sickness
· Surface deadhead pay doubled
· Provide New York-based pilots with up to 50% travel reimbursement ($50 max) when assigned a rotation from short call
· Includes language providing for consultation with ALPA related to ab initio training
· Increased LCA/AQFO pay to receive 15% override for entire duty period in which they perform any duties, rather than the individual legs
· Provides for a pilot to Forget CQ Golden Days in PBS
· Increases ALPA involvement in training-related matters
· Provides for Company option to implement virtual bases (likely) in MCO (run as a test via LOA) with restrictions and ALPA approval
· Option to be unavailable for first two hours of short call for all pilots
· Provided for premium pay on end of month asterisk trips, when the trip is extended:
o Regular pilots paid single pay and credit for rotation and single pay, no credit for any duty day extension past the original rotation
o Reserve pilots if flown into regular line by more than 1-day domestic or 3-day international, paid single pay and credit plus single pay, no credit for any duty periods past the threshold above
· Adds reserve short call pay: 1 hour pay and credit towards guarantee for each short call where the pilot was not used
· Utilize crawler to determine run-times for distance learning pay
· Vacation improvements (in addition to pay increase per day):
o Improve transparency in vacation move-up process
o Company will post estimated move-up weeks available by 25th of month, two months prior
o Establishes up to four Individual Vacation Days (IVDs) so pilots can get paid time off
§ May be used on two separate occasions
§ Taken from an existing vacation week selected by pilot
§ Same reserve requirements as APD for trip drop under IVD
· Improves crew meal language:
o Block hour trigger reduced to 5 hours (from 5+30)
o Caribbean turns codifies current practice
o Early morning departure considerations
· FRMS (per Company) to address short call
· FRMS (per Company) to address 10-hour break after cancellation
· New hire training freeze increased to 24 months
o May be awarded an AE/VD after 12 months if initial qualification training required to change bases
o Remaining freeze added to new freeze from AE/VD award
· Training freeze for short courses reduced
o 12 month freeze for training courses with fewer than 12 curriculum days
· Furlough protection for all pilots on the seniority list as of date of signing
· Improves hotel language:
o Hotel for recency training in base for pilots living outside 50 miles
o Hotel Committee coordination to adjust pick up times based on time of day and/or day of week
· Establish warm up module if break in training is greater than 6 days
· MV/LOE re-check days no longer count as extra curriculum days
· Automates deadhead block times on non-Delta aircraft
· Scheduling to cover trips with report times between 0000-0400 two days prior
 
luvthe9 said:
WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PILOT GROUP? WHY DOES THIS GROUP THINK WE DONT DESERVE A CONTRACT LIKE THIS! I CANT UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE WOULD SIGN THAT POS JCBA. THE APA IS PITIFUL.


Highlights of the 2015 Tentative Agreement

These are the highlights of the recent tentative agreement with Delta Air Lines, now under discussion by your MEC. The MEC will vote in open session tomorrow whether to pass this agreement on to the membership for your ratification.
 
 
Doesn't matter now. Far too many eager little fish bit down hard on the very first company cast....
 
EastUS1 said:
 
Doesn't matter now. Far too many eager little fish bit down hard on the very first company cast....
All those "Eager little fish" wanted was to kill of your fake scab union. It worked beautifully. Now you get to enjoy this POS contract for years to come because  your unrestrained arrogance and self importance provided a motivation stronger than that offered by a labor contract. Again. As will every other perceived misfortune in your shitty career, It's your fault.
 
Res Judicata said:
All those "Eager little fish" wanted was to kill of your fake scab union. It worked beautifully. Now you get to enjoy this POS contract for years to come because  your unrestrained arrogance and self importance provided a motivation stronger than that offered by a labor contract. Again. As will every other perceived misfortune in your shitty career, It's your fault.
It's about time you showed up, Res. EastCheats has been pulling all the weight, you slacker!
 
Res Judicata said:
All those "Eager little fish" wanted was to kill of your fake scab union. It worked beautifully. Now you get to enjoy this POS contract for years to come because  your unrestrained arrogance and self importance provided a motivation stronger than that offered by a labor contract. Again. As will every other perceived misfortune in your shitty career, It's your fault.
Put the bottle down. Remember, the Nic was only a dream!
 
Res Judicata said:
All those "Eager little fish" wanted was to kill of your fake scab union. It worked beautifully. Now you get to enjoy this POS contract for years to come because  your unrestrained arrogance and self importance provided a motivation stronger than that offered by a labor contract. Again. As will every other perceived misfortune in your shitty career, It's your fault.
Well said. USAPA has been decertified and sent to the trash heap of history where it belongs.
 
You set up a fake union, sue my co-workers on fake RICO charges, expect payback for the injustice.
 
USAPA=scum lower than scabs
 
 
Res Judicata said:
All those "Eager little fish" wanted was to kill of your fake scab union. It worked beautifully. Now you get to enjoy this POS contract for years to come because  your unrestrained arrogance and self importance provided a motivation stronger than that offered by a labor contract. Again. As will every other perceived misfortune in your shitty career, It's your fault.

Sounds like the IT Problems Doug Parker is having will keep you in PHX well into 2018.

BRACE FOR IMPACT!
 
EastUS1 said:
Doesn't matter now. Far too many eager little fish bit down hard on the very first company cast....

I guess, you westicle could have paid Marty off sooner.
 
EastUS1 said:
Not-so-much, but then I don't even have to sleep in an "Integrity Matters" T-shirt to feel good about myself either.
I left one out.

It was the t-shirt with the words "integrity matters" 😉

I should have known. :lol:
 
Res Judicata said:
All those "Eager little fish" wanted was to kill of your fake scab union. It worked beautifully. Now you get to enjoy this POS contract for years to come because  your unrestrained arrogance and self importance provided a motivation stronger than that offered by a labor contract. Again. As will every other perceived misfortune in your shitty career, It's your fault.


Hey, are little FBI wannabe weasel is back, good for you Doyal.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Well said. USAPA has been decertified and sent to the trash heap of history where it belongs.
 
You set up a fake union, sue my co-workers on fake RICO charges, expect payback for the injustice.
 
USAPA=scum lower than scabs
It's sitting on top of the NIC in that trash pile, right scab.

To bad about Wye River, must haunt you every second of the day, oh well a few more years locked in PHX is in your future.



"We did this to ourselves guys"........DB knew all along you should have listened to him.




Geez, the NIC was in your hands, we offered it to you and what did you do? It was your scab GREED that has cost you then and now.



West pilots should sue AOL for damages.



AOL=scum lower tha scabs!
 
EastCheats said:
I left one out.

It was the t-shirt with the words "integrity matters" 😉

I should have known. :lol:
 
It's a foreign concept to Eastpus and the rest of those Usapians. They think they can delay SLI and not face those pilots they tried to cheat.
They made their beds.
 
 
CactusPilot1 said:
It's a foreign concept to Eastpus and the rest of those Usapians. They think they can delay SLI and not face those pilots they tried to cheat.
They made their beds.
Not at all Davey boy, we are looking forward to it, be sure to tell the panel all you bring to this merge and hope they don't laugh. But also remember you really don't belong here, you're very lucky little boy.
 
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