2015 Pilot Discussion.

[CactusPilot1]

 

Trial exhibit No. 14 is also an open letter. Although undated, it reports
a conversation that occurred in early June 2007 between Mr. Bradford and
Chris Katzenbach of Katzenbach and Khitikan, a law firm. This exhibit
states the following facts, all of which are stated in trial exhibit Nos. 314
and 315: (1) that Katzenbach represents a group of American Eagle pilots
Trial exhibit No. 14 is also an open letter. Although undated, it reports
helping them to set up an independent union to oust ALPA from that
airline; (2) that Mr. Katzenbach was impressed with the America West Pilot
final brief submitted in the Nicolau Arbitration; and (3) that Mr.
Katzenbach advised that, by forming a new bargaining agent, the East
Pilots could get around the Nicolau Award. The only point made in trial
exhibit No. 14 that is not disclosed in exhibit Nos. 314 and 315 is that Mr.
Katzenbach cautioned Mr. Bradford that when communicating the reasons
for forming USAPA and when selling USAPA to the East Pilots he must not
reveal that the reason for creating USAPA was to abrogate the Nicolau
Arbitration. exhibit No. 314 to No. 315. Trial exhibit
 
Your side's only objective was to get around an agreement by any means possible and to hide the real reasons for forming USAPA.
 
So much for integrity.
  

If you can't get what you want, cheat the process by Eastwipe logic.

 

[Phoenix]

I've got a challenge for you Eastpus. How about a few less embarrassing headlines due to poor airmanship.

American Airlines flight veers off North Carolina runway
By Amy R. Connolly
June 11, 2015 at 6:21 AM

A Paris-bound American Airlines flight veered off the runway at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport in North Carolina, leaving a three-foot deep,15-foot long gash on the pavement.

Flight 786 was lining up for takeoff about 7:30 p.m. Wednesday when it attempted a U-turn and veered off the runway, airline spokeswoman Alexis Aran Coello said. No one was hurt.

Maintenance workers inspected the airplanes' left landing gear and deemed it safe to fly. The flight was scheduled to land in Paris at 8:25 a.m., but was delayed until 10:27 a.m. Thursday.

 
Are you claiming EastUs dropped the left gear off the runway, or are you just crying like a two year old again...  If you believe in karma, you should be terrified to fly.  Pathetic.  Grow up.  Just sayin'.   

 

[nevergiveup]

If you can't get what you want, cheat the process by Eastwipe logic.

sorry if we were not willing to accept a sub-standard contract just so you could steal our seniority. We played by the rules, yet we still gave you the chance to have the Nic. You said no. The end.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Are you claiming EastUs dropped the left gear off the runway, or are you just crying like a two year old again...  If you believe in karma, you should be terrified to fly.  Pathetic.  Grow up.  Just sayin'.   

 
I'll have to go with the toddler option there, since it takes the "maturity" level of a virtual infant to ever take great glee in ANY other pilots' misfortunes in aircraft anywhere.

 

[traderjake]

As far as I'm concerned, my USAPA lawyers did the same for me. Kept my career from being crushed, and hurt no one in the process. Remember, no one in PHX was displaced, lost their Captains bid etc. 

 
Not true.
 
Part of the flying on every WB delivered since the merger belongs to the West.
 
USAPA stole that flying from them. 

 

[im back..!!]

Not true.
 
Part of the flying on every WB delivered since the merger belongs to the West.
 
USAPA stole that flying from them.

Nothing stolen. They opted out, went for all or nothing. The seats are theirs, they just have to wait till there is a seniority list implemented. The company has to put someone in the seat to operate the equipment. The seat will be nice and warm for them to occupy when the list is implemented. When that opening occurs, remember "no bump/no flush"...
It's not stolen, just being sat in till you show up!

 

[nevergiveup]

 
Not true.
 
Part of the flying on every WB delivered since the merger belongs to the West.
 
USAPA stole that flying from them. 

ALPA prevented it.

 

[im back..!!]

Nothing stolen. They opted out, went for all or nothing. The seats are theirs, they just have to wait till there is a seniority list implemented. The company has to put someone in the seat to operate the equipment. The seat will be nice and warm for them to occupy when the list is implemented. When that opening occurs, remember "no bump/no flush"...
It's not stolen, just being sat in till you show up!

Food for thought, in reference to the eloquent speaker in the PHX crew news on "leet-e-gay shun". Assuming a number 600 of their 800 or so first officers that can all hold captain now in CLT.
If the arbs stapled the east under the west (doubtful) mr 600 of 800 would get full access to east attrition and looks to upgrade approximately 3 years after implementation whic is estimated as early 2017.....
Soo, we're talking about 2020.... Hired around 2003, yep, your read it right.....17 years.

Karma's a *****, isn't it.....

 

[CAVOK]

 
Not true.
 
Part of the flying on every WB delivered since the merger belongs to the West.
 
USAPA stole that flying from them. 

I am not even sure if that is correct, but you will have to take that up with Mr. Parker. Do you have a reference for your "part of the flying on every WB ... belongs to the West" statement? I see that bandied around quite a bit by the West pilots.
 
Stole? Just where were the West pilots going to fly those 330s out of PHX? They have to make it to PHL or CLT first. 

 

[im back..!!]

If you can't get what you want, cheat the process by Eastwipe logic.

So, what I hear you saying is that the legal system in America isn't up to your liking?

Are you a communist, or maybe you would prefer Sharia law?

You were warned by your own attorneys that delay might be a tactic. But you know it all, go ahead, tell me again how well this has worked out for you.....

 

[traderjake]

So, what I hear you saying is that the legal system in America isn't up to your liking?

Are you a communist, or maybe you would prefer Sharia law?

 
I'd prefer a legal system that abides by the US Constitution so no, it's not to my liking.

 

[CAVOK]

 
I'd prefer a legal system that abides by the US Constitution so no, it's not to my liking.

...."a legal system that abides by the US Constitution" ...?
 
Are you kidding? Joking?  Your postings are starting to make a little more sense taken in that context. 

 

[EastUS1]

 
I'd prefer a legal system that abides by the US Constitution so no, it's not to my liking.

 
Not to divert the thread for more than a moment here trader, but I'll have to strongly disagree with that, in that I feel our legal system's the very best yet seen on earth, and exists to adjudicate and enforce, but not to initially make the laws of the land. Where we might well find ready agreement though, is in the notion of having elected (but far-too-often only laughably supposed) "representatives of the people" actually take their Oaths of office seriously where the Constitution's concerned....Wouldn't that be a refreshing change to see?  I rather suspect we'd also find agreement on the political aspects of appointing judges/etc, especially to the very Supreme Court to be an issue long past worthy of review, but the essential mechanics of the system it's self still remain the best humankind's yet come up with....Some of the people filling seats within it?....Not-so-much.

 

[snapthis]

Not true.
 
Part of the flying on every WB delivered since the merger belongs to the West.
 
USAPA stole that flying from them.

Stole, with the help of USAPA and their East management friends acquired in 2005. East pilots recalled, West pilots furloughed. Friends helping, friends at the expense of West pilots.

It's being discussed now by those who participated in the process, recalling the events at the time:

"When the E190's arrived, the Company initially allowed us to propose a plan to share the flying. I went to a meeting at headquarters with Al Hemenway, Beth Holdren, and our NC to present a plan. The flying was based out East but there was initial acceptance by the Company to share the flying. When they got word that the East MEC was refusing to go along with the plan to share, the Company backed off and took a "neutral" stance which led us to the Eischen arbitration. Another chance for the Company to step up, but Al, Beth and Bular clearly had no intention of letting us fly those airplanes.

We got a 330 side letter signed even though Bular and Skinner did everything in their power to try and stop it. Credit goes to J Mc, Mitch and Dotter for getting this done

When the 330-200's arrived, they were not covered by any arbitrated decision. The Company made ZERO attempt to have West pilots share any of this flying even though the TA required a bridge training program. Parker's East managers just ignored the fact that we were being wrongfully denied these seats."

 

[Phoenix]

 
Not to divert the thread for more than a moment here trader, but I'll have to strongly disagree with that, in that I feel our legal system's the very best yet seen on earth, and exists to adjudicate and enforce, but not to initially make the laws of the land. Where we might well find ready agreement though, is in the notion of having elected (but far-too-often only laughably supposed) "representatives of the people" actually take their Oaths of office seriously where the Constitution's concerned....Wouldn't that be a refreshing change to see?  I rather suspect we'd also find agreement on the political aspects of appointing judges/etc, especially to the very Supreme Court to be an issue long past worthy of review, but the essential mechanics of the system it's self still remain the best humankind's yet come up with....Some of the people filling seats within it?....Not-so-much.

 
 
I'ld say the judges in our experience were all pretty good except for Wake and BuyMe, uh Bibee.  And Silver emulated a brat as best she could.  But certainly they didn't create a Constitutional Crisis.  😀