2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

 
 luvthelie repeats the same whopper.
 
Furloughing all the West F/Os and some West Captains before the first East F/O hit the street was not the Nicolau Award. 

 
From the slightest rational, moral, or at all halfways even sensible viewpoint: explain to me just exactly WHY I should give so much as a half thimble full of ant sh-t's concern over the "wisdom" and apparently "sacred" nature of the Nicolau Award? Your "logical" assistance would be greatly appreciated here, because I can't find even the slightest reason to absurdly and mindlessly worship that particular abomination....?
 
P.S. The issue will shortly be presented to a board of arbitrators. "If" they don't all eagerly embrace the nic; what exactly will your only supposedly "Honor" based argument then rest on? Let me guess: "Honor" must always be somehow flexible?...And purely based entirely on momentary circumstances?

 

[EastUS1]

Claxon, you and your buddies EastUS1 and luvthe9 should be very concerned if this comes to fruition.....

 
Thank you "Dr Phil" but seriously; from any point of purely selfish, personal perspective; why should I even possibly care?
 
I will cheerfully leave you to continue doing your sad best to undermine your previous coworkers though...and how such as yourself ever even got hired with PSA must remain a complete mystery to me for life...

 

[nycbusdriver]

She certainly got that right. Pyrrhic.

 
A pyrrhic victory is one in which you can't derive the benefits of that victory.  The lightning speed of advancement on the east list makes Silver's comment laughable.  The real pyrrhic "victory" in all of this is the one that had the westicles high-fiving each other, and that would be the announcement of the Nicolau "award."

 

[luvthe9]

Claxon, you and your buddies EastUS1 and luvthe9 should be very concerned if this comes to fruition.....

Still can't let go, your no longer involved you just try to enjoy retirement, you no longer have to kiss the west arses for a ride home.

 

[luvthe9]

http://youtu.be/MDNV_71nhDk

Geez, I have forgotten about some of these videos, just sent a few to my AA buddies. Wow what group of nut jobs, I understand they are responsible for the termination of the AA medical department.

 

[cactusboy53]

Guests
nostradamus, on Aug 27 2008, 11:36 PM, said:
Just heard about the crew news meeting in PHX 08/26/08. john mcIIvenna accused east pilots of burning fuel while speaking to Doug Parker, Ceo of USairways. The former alpa president of the america west pilots told the CEO that his fellow pilots have seen the east pilots taxi with both engines and apu running. The CEO and director of ops said that the shallow accusations of the former alpa mec president of america west pilots is not backed by statistics.

McIlvenna is all over the C&R board denying this, but it happened. The crew news it was in was removed long ago.

Look Dorothy, I'm presently viewing the C&R.  While McIlvenna posts on there on several posts, I have not seen a thread that describes the FACTUAL EVENTS that took place. 
 
Are you just making stuff up (lying) like my buddy Luvr? 
 
BTW, what's with all the old videos again?  Have you run out of new material?  I guess since you like dated material, I'll throw in a few of my favorites:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]

 
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

So wrong, they were offered it and they turned it down. Wye River, there own pilots admit to it.


They made the decision, and it was the wrong one, you should concentrate on getting over your fear of upgrading.

 
LIAR.
 
[SIZE=12pt]In the matter of: Preliminary Arbitration Board APA/USAPA/AA (December 17, 2014)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]ARBITRATOR JAVITS: "All three lists. I guess the gravamen of the questions is are you then putting yourself in the place of Nicolau, are you the new Nicolau because you are proposing a list which may not reflect Nicolau's list? ….. And American pilots. And, therefore, you're making a proposal, which may be different than what Nicolau had in mind and issued back in '07."[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]MR. FREUND (in closing): "As the Chairman put it so nicely in his questioning of Jess Pauley, what the US -- what the East Committee, the US Airways Committee, the USAPA[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Committee, call it what you want, what it wants to do is to put itself in the place of George Nicolau and redo what George did in 2007.[/SIZE]"
 
Luvr;
"The Jess" due out in 7 more days!  I wonder how "The Jess" will be viewed by the Arbitration Panel, the American Pilot Merger Committee?  Will USAPA "overreach"?  What are the odds of that happening??

 

[cactusboy53]

As far as I'm concerned, my USAPA lawyers did the same for me. Kept my career from being crushed, and hurt no one in the process. Remember, no one in PHX was displaced, lost their Captains bid etc. My unions offer was to guarantee those protections to the west. But they wanted the best of all, to get access to my sides attrition.... The west wanted something that wasn't theirs, all under the auspices of it wouldn't have existed if they haven't saved us.
Well, you took your chance at NIC or nothing and until now you got nothing. Let's see where the panel of arbs places the ball.
And yes, before you ask, EVERYONE WILL ABIDE BY THIS ARBITRATION, ITS FEDERAL LAW!

So, If you keep telling yourself something over and over again...does that make it true?
 
You are right, EVERYONE WILL ABIDE BY THIS ARBITRATION.  I hope you will remember those words when it's delivered (because you didn't the last time).  BTW, "the West" simply wanted you to abide and honor your WORD.  We EXPECTED you to abide by the process & result that all parties agreed to.
 
Here's what VP Paul Jones had to say about USAPA:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]
 
Here's what the Ninth said about the AAA/AWA arbitration:
 
[SIZE=12pt]"We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recognized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA (translation: ALPA was NOT free to abandon the Nicolau Award). The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA, is binding on USAPA."[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Opinion[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Case: 09-16564 06/04/2010[/SIZE]

 

[EastCheats]

 
A pyrrhic victory is one in which you can't derive the benefits of that victory.  The lightning speed of advancement on the east list makes Silver's comment laughable.  The real pyrrhic "victory" in all of this is the one that had the westicles high-fiving each other, and that would be the announcement of the Nicolau "award."

 
How are those pyrrhic retirement benefits after years of LOA 93 and that pension guarantee that had no guarantee. AWE....
 
I guess you will find out soon.

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/B_ArndrSrF4

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/D0WxIsu3eOw

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/Yti-cfW_OlU

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/HxUiZBfDxug

 

[EastCheats]

Someone is watching his old favorites on Youtube.
 
Thanks for sharing 😉

 

[EastCheats]

Cable get cancelled? Dish get blown away in a storm?