2015 Pilot Discussion.

[N924PS]

To bad the west never had a career expection to fly any wide body. Just another example of what they brought to the merger, 1 crew base, no attrition, and no wide bodies. They got what they brought to the merger and they don't Like it.

They didn't bring 1800 furloughed pilots to the merger either.......

Absent the merger those pilots had no expectation of flying a wide body.

 

[EastCheats]

To bad the west never had a career expection to fly any wide body. Just another example of what they brought to the merger, 1 crew base, no attrition, and no wide bodies. They got what they brought to the merger and they don't Like it.

Too bad you have poor grammar. Do you know there is a difference between to and too. 😉

You may have to do a maintenance write-up one day. You and Luv may want to get a GED.

How did these people get hired?

 

[A320 Driver]

You are incorrect regarding the A330's.
The A330-200 orders came post merger in 2007 as part of a major fleet renewal order.http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/us-airways-signs-on-with-airbus-for-fleet-renewal-airline-increases-order-for-a350-xwb-aircraft/
There were only 9 A330-300's pre-merger.
You are correct regarding the 3 former ATA B757's and the E190's. However thanks to USAPA, the West pilots were never allowed to participate.
These vacancies as well as a portion of the 15 additional A330-200's and A350's post merger should be shared with the West. It would not surprise me at all if the West Merger Committee can quote an exact number of vacancies they should fill.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/airbus-fleet-changes-at-us-airways-to-boost-airlineaposs-strength/

There's a 2003 order for at least 10 of the A330-200s. The -300s were already on the property by then.

 

[snapthis]

To bad the west never had a career expection to fly any wide body. Just another example of what they brought to the merger, 1 crew base, no attrition, and no wide bodies. They got what they brought to the merger and they don't Like it.

That's quite the stretch. We were hiring prior to the acquisition. We had B747's in the fleet prior. We did not need Airways at that time for wide bodies.
 
Another thing.
 
Las Vegas was a base, if you recall.

 

[N924PS]

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/airbus-fleet-changes-at-us-airways-to-boost-airlineaposs-strength/
There's a 2003 order for at least 10 of the A330-200s. The -300s were already on the property by then.

And then came BK2 in 2004:

http://qctimes.com/business/u-s-air-wants-to-delay-delivery-of-airbus-order/article_89d9cdbc-0fe1-54b9-8dd3-d248d3d49a65.html

 

[snapthis]

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/airbus-fleet-changes-at-us-airways-to-boost-airlineaposs-strength/

There's a 2003 order for at least 10 of the A330-200s. The -300s were already on the property by then.

One problem....
 
US Airways exited bankruptcy in 2003 and began to look for merger partners, as well as much-needed financing.  On May 4, 2004, the company became a member of the Star Alliance.  It also became one of the first major airlines to eliminate pilot pensions in order to cut costs.  Unable to secure any additional financing and facing labor disputes, the carrier entered a second bankruptcy on September 14, 2004.  Moreover, US Airways came close to liquidation during the Christmas holiday rush of 2004, as a result of widespread employee discontent that led to a high number of personnel calling in sick.
 

 

[A320 Driver]

One problem....
 
US Airways exited bankruptcy in 2003 and began to look for merger partners, as well as much-needed financing.  On May 4, 2004, the company became a member of the Star Alliance.  It also became one of the first major airlines to eliminate pilot pensions in order to cut costs.  Unable to secure any additional financing and facing labor disputes, the carrier entered a second bankruptcy on September 14, 2004.  Moreover, US Airways came close to liquidation during the Christmas holiday rush of 2004, as a result of widespread employee discontent that led to a high number of personnel calling in sick.

There is a point here, I'm sure of it, but why don't you hold it for the arbitration. You can tell them you bought us and that all our previous aircraft orders were void.

Oh yeah, and you want the NIC...don't forget that. 🙂

 

[A320 Driver]

That's quite the stretch. We were hiring prior to the acquisition. We had B747's in the fleet prior. We did not need Airways at that time for wide bodies.
 
Another thing.
 
Las Vegas was a base, if you recall.

Your 2 747s were LONG gone, never to return. But you are right. LAS was a base...WAS being the key word. Just like our LGA and BOS bases.

 

[traderjake]

To bad the west never had a career expection to fly any wide body. Just another example of what they brought to the merger, 1 crew base, no attrition, and no wide bodies. They got what they brought to the merger and they don't Like it.

 
Did USAir pilots have a career expectation of flying a wide body before the Piedmont merger?
 
Things change with all mergers.
 
The problem is you want to keep all the good changes for yourself and dump the bad on the other guy.

 

[traderjake]

 But you are right. LAS was a base...WAS being the key word. Just like our LGA and BOS bases.

 
As WAS PIT.

 

[CAVOK]

 
Did USAir pilots have a career expectation of flying a wide body before the Piedmont merger?
 
Things change with all mergers.
 
The problem is you want to keep all the good changes for yourself and dump the bad on the other guy.

Would that be the DOH Piedmont merger as well as the DOH PSA merger to which you are referring? Of course those were after the Allegheny Mohawk DOH merger.

 

[traderjake]

Would that be the DOH Piedmont merger as well as the DOH PSA merger to which you are referring?

 
Yes, the DOH merger where Piedmont Captains lost their seats to guys who couldn't hold Captain at USAir. 
 
That's why there hasn't been a DOH merger this century.  

 

[CAVOK]

 
Yes, the DOH merger where Piedmont Captains lost their seats to guy who couldn't hold Captain at USAir. 
 
That's why there hasn't been a DOH merger this century.  

Which captains lost their seats? On the F28 where they were upgrading in 3 years? Pilots from both airlines with hire dates of '83, '84, '85 where updating in '88 to '89, (five years to the NB captain seat) so if they lost their seats it was would not have been for very long. They didn't want to commute? I would would have to hear from other Piedmont pilots, other than yourself. Both airlines were upgrading. 
 
ALPA merger policy changed away from DOH, as I remember, as a result from United pressure due to an impending merger with US Airways in 1998. United was less senior. That was when I knew that we had to get out of ALPA. ALPAs surrender of our contract through LOAs and our funded pension given to the PBGC cemented that belief. 
 
It has always been about DOH for most of us and all other unions in the industry. 

 

[N924PS]

It has always been about DOH for most of us and all other unions in the industry.

Do you think the former Empire pilots would agree with your statement?

 

[CAVOK]

Do you think the former Empire pilots would agree with your statement?

Well, you have to ask the Piedmont boys about that merger, but I am sure that the Empire pilots will agree with me about DOH. I never knew why Piedmont ALPA MEC did not and I did not agree with ALPAs handling of the merger. But, that was pre-US Air/Piedmont merger. 
 
But, you certainly did well with DOH. Started US Air as an F/O with your PSA DOH and retired as a senior 330 captain. Those PSA guys, for the most part, were great guys. Unfortunately, all we ended up with was more pilots and no bases, hubs or planes, although it wasn't the pilots' fault. I've been afraid that the same will happen with AWA. Many of their old airplanes have been replaced post-merger with the new 320s and 25% of our routes. Likewise, our 767s have been replaced by 330s which was in the works before the merger.