2015 Pilot Discussion.

[prechilill]

You easties have a NICe day, and maybe even a NICe weekend. I wonder what Monday will bring?

 

[CallawayGolf]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Well that's that. Proposal status no more I guess. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The Ninth sure did make a mess of things six years ago, but at least they stepped up and fixed it to the only extend they good well after most of the damage was done. Congratulations to those who fought hard to bring about this long-overdue victory. It would be great if all the vitriol and such could be laid to rest now, but I suspect that's asking a lot after so long of a battle.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Good luck to all in the pending, NIC-inclusive SLI process.[/SIZE]

 

[prechilill]

There really isn't much to say after the 9th's ruling, they summarized the east holes' deviant behavior quite well.  And this comes just in time for the SLI with APA… seems to coincidental, doesn't it?  Regardless, the east holes have lost, we will see the NIC implemented soon, possibly by the next system bid at US.  I'm looking forward to flying the big bus!

 

[Phoenix]

Well that's that. Proposal status no more I guess.
 
The Ninth sure did make a mess of things six years ago, but at least they stepped up and fixed it to the only extend they good well after most of the damage was done. Congratulations to those who fought hard to bring about this long-overdue victory. It would be great if all the vitriol and such could be laid to rest now, but I suspect that's asking a lot after so long of a battle.
 
Good luck to all in the pending, NIC-inclusive SLI process.

How did the 9th fix anything? They resolved nothing. They just complicated it. Doug wins.

 

[Crzipilot]

There really isn't much to say after the 9th's ruling, they summarized the east holes' deviant behavior quite well.  And this comes just in time for the SLI with APA… seems to coincidental, doesn't it?  Regardless, the east holes have lost, we will see the NIC implemented soon, possibly by the next system bid at US.  I'm looking forward to flying the big bus!

 
 
 
dipshit.   nowhere in the ruling did it say the NIC had to be institituded.    It said USAPA could not advocate any other seniority agreement than the NIC.      so no...you won't be bidding any big bus any time soon.   You will still be locked in the desert until such time that Doug agrees to use whatever combined list,   whenever that is resolved,       with a no bump no flush agreeement.  
 
Heard monday meeting is already canceled.     
 
also think somwhere in that 9th thing,   it said the arbitration board didn't have to use the NIC.....interesting to say the least...

 

[prechilill]

It's going to be awesome seeing the 88 hires looking up to Dave O. LMAO!!!

Gear up boys!

 

[Crzipilot]

Whatever you name is idiot.   Where does it say your gonna bid via the NIC in the next permanent bid?     Hmmmmm...Nowhere   You might get a chance in '16   otherwise   F'off

 

[CallawayGolf]

How did the 9th fix anything? They resolved nothing. They just complicated it. Doug wins.

They fixed their nonsensical not ripe ruling and affirmed the Addington I ruling by the jury. A legal victory for the west and the entire binding arbitration process in general. The full and complete integration of all east, west and legacy AA pilots is still a long way from being done.

Nice that west legal fees can be offset by USAPA, or whatever is left of it anyway.

 

[Crzipilot]

There really isn't much to say after the 9th's ruling, they summarized the east holes' deviant behavior quite well.  And this comes just in time for the SLI with APA… seems to coincidental, doesn't it?  Regardless, the east holes have lost, we will see the NIC implemented soon, possibly by the next system bid at US.  I'm looking forward to flying the big bus!

 
 
 
Thanks prechill,   I hope you get the big bus,   I did that type of flying years ago,  been on every continent.   No real need to do it any more.    Why don't you PM me your name and number we can talk about how it's gonna be to fly with you?!?!?1  
 
I'm sure it will be exciting!!!!!!

 

[prechilill]

And that's part B to the east's kick in their sack by the 9th- they're probably paying out attorney fees Lmao at these east clowns!!!

Big bus right around the corner. Any advice on managing reserve bidding on the 330? God, I can't wait to get my hands on that thing!

And the 350 is next! In 7 years the whole captain list on the 330 will probably be west pilots. Wow!!!

 

[Phoenix]

They fixed their nonsensical not ripe ruling and affirmed the Addington I ruling by the jury. A legal victory for the west and the entire binding arbitration process in general. The full and complete integration of all east, west and legacy AA pilots is still a long way from being done.
Nice that west legal fees can be offset by USAPA, or whatever is left of it anyway.

MB is the statute that governs the SLI, not Addington.

The statutory authorities (of the former bargaining agents in the covered transaction) have not been litigated. Those authorities were hotly contested between APA and USAPA. To get past a long drawn out court case to litigate those authorities APA and USAPA entered into a binding contract, the protocol agreement.

The protocol agreement was the fix. That agreement was obliterated and the former dispute between the former bargaining agents is now once again at issue, not only for USAPA's sake but now also for APA (if USAPA' is no longer at least as free as ALPA was, as the 9th used to say, then APA is also supposedly equally un-free). We had finally taken one step forward and the 9th rushed in to send us back two steps.

"Let's see what happens now." Said the mischievous judge with a cat-ate-the-bird grin.

 

[prechilill]

 
 
 
Thanks prechill,   I hope you get the big bus,   I did that type of flying years ago,  been on every continent.   No real need to do it any more.    Why don't you PM me your name and number we can talk about how it's gonna be to fly with you?!?!?1  
 
I'm sure it will be exciting!!!!!!

 
We will meet soon enough, Paul!  Have a NICe evening, my friend!

 

[CallawayGolf]

MB is the statute that governs the SLI, not Addington.
The statutory authorities (of the former bargaining agents in the covered transaction) have not been litigated. Those authorities were hotly contested between APA and USAPA. To get past a long drawn out court case to litigate those authorities APA and USAPA entered into a binding contract, the protocol agreement.
The protocol agreement was the fix. That agreement was obliterated and the former dispute between the former bargaining agents is now once again at issue, not only for USAPA's sake but now also for APA. We had finally taken one step forward and the 9th rushed in to send us back two steps.
"Let's see what happens now." Said the mischievous judge with a cat-ate-the-bird grin.

I can't disagree with that. How this ruling might effect the new SLI might never be fully known.

 

[Claxon]

Suffice it to say, mario will continue to lose his perceived 7 "tousands dollars" per month for quite some time. 

 

[Phoenix]

I can't disagree with that. How this ruling might effect the new SLI might never be fully known.

How it affects the protocol agreement is the issue, not the SLI. Even before that, the courts never had before them MB and the SLI... It was always DFR (and ironically never the protocol agreement).

Apart from the protocol agreement there is no mechanism to continue with the MB arbitration (I say "continue" because it began with the West application for a committee and got a good speed when the committees filed their briefs---which are now moot?) The status of negotiated agreements reached in the "protocol agreement" are now upended.

We were all finally moving forward with "equal committees". Now what?