2015 Pilot Discussion.

[CactusPilot1]

Any bearing the Nic award has on AAL, and how they may feel about it is completely irrelevent. This was supposed to have been completed years ago. Long before AMR went into BK protection. Just because the East guys have been successful at such absurdly long delay, doesn't entitle AAL pilots to gain a single position over the West. The 9th was crystal clear. Everything USAPA has been doing to the West for the last 8 years is pattently ILLEGAL.
 
AAL pilots don't get to benefit from that illegal behavior any more than the East guys do. The West is guilty of two things in this entire mess:
 
1. They played by the rules
 
2. They trusted the other two scumbag parties, (Doug Parker and The East Pilots) to do the same.
 
The 9th just corrected that and opened the door for the arbitration panel to proceed however they like possibly offering some kind of damages in C&R.
 
Bottom Line to the AAL group...STFU about the Nic. This doesn't involve you. It's NONE of your business.

I think it's funny people like Trank lectured AA pilots who came to the defense of West pilots on the C&R's would tell them it was none of their business. It would not surprise me that those Easties are dialing-a-friend at Legacy AA to get a lifeline. It really doesn't matter because the arbitration is not going to be decided on the C&R's.

 

[Metroyet]

To all our APA friends, remember this is from your west pilot group.

If someone robs a bank, It's illegal to spend the money. That still applies even if the person attempting to spend the stolen money didn't actually rob the bank themselves.
 
Not a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[Phoenix]

Any bearing the Nic award has on AAL, and how they may feel about it is completely irrelevent. This was supposed to have been completed years ago. Long before AMR went into BK protection. Just because the East guys have been successful at such absurdly long delay, doesn't entitle AAL pilots to gain a single position over the West. The 9th was crystal clear. Everything USAPA has been doing to the West for the last 8 years is pattently ILLEGAL.
 
AAL pilots don't get to benefit from that illegal behavior any more than the East guys do. The West is guilty of two things in this entire mess:
 
1. They played by the rules
 
2. They trusted the other two scumbag parties, (Doug Parker and The East Pilots) to do the same.
 
The 9th just corrected that and opened the door for the arbitration panel to proceed however they like possibly offering some kind of damages in C&R.
 
Bottom Line to the AAL group...STFU about the Nic. This doesn't involve you. It's NONE of your business.

"Pull on superman's cape", you don't have his attention yet.

 

[A320 Driver]

 
Bottom Line to the AAL group...STFU about the Nic. This doesn't involve you. It's NONE of your business.

EXCUSE ME?

You don't even work here! Who are you to tell anyone at AA to STFU????

 

[nic4us]

I think, when you consider the increase in retirements forthcoming the seniority system will rightsize itself in a reasonable amount of time. Of course, you want immediate gratification, but the case can be made that once the SLI is completed, the West pilots will be free to bid where they want and take full advantage of their seniority. The problem is going to be how we all fare when combined with the AA list. I'll have to say, the West proposal kept me very close to my current position as opposed to the AA proposal that moved me 7% to the rear.
There is a fare amount of grandstanding going on right now, but after the celebrations are done, don't forget we all have to live together.

 
A somewhat moderate post, but I am going to point out where you are completely wrong.
 
You posted about ten pages ago that the East committee should join the West and advocated for the better placement of the Nic against the APA list.  I only partially agree but ad that it is this mentality that has been the east downfall for the past ten years.
 
The reason the West's proposal kept you very close to your current position is because the West's proposal is the only one that is designed with the best interest of all New American Airlines pilots in mind.  Both the APA proposal and the East proposal are land grabs at others expense.  Absolutely no consideration is given in either as to what is best for the entire pilot group or the airline.  They are both, what is in it for me wish lists. 
 
Now, I will make another prediction.  The group that will see the end result most closely mirror their proposal, is the group that keeps every pilots best interest in mind.  We will end up with 60% of the pilot group feeling they got a little to moderately short changed, 30% feeling they got screwed ( the east idiots who are dumdfounded by the fact usapa was a loser from the get go) and 10% feeling it was close enough to not be pissed about it.  But the bottom line will be, 100% will show up to work and be glad they are AAL pilots working for the worlds largest airline, and if they open their stupid piehole and complain to me, will promptly be told to STFU!!!

 

[CactusPilot1]

Metro, as a pilot for AA, your comments are welcome.

 

[nic4us]

To all our APA friends, remember this is from your west pilot group.

I seriously doubt you have "friends" at the APA.

 

[Phoenix]

Metro, as a pilot for AA, your comments are welcome.

Are you outing Adam?

 

[CactusPilot1]

I seriously doubt you have "friends" at the APA.

 
Nic, do you know who Adam is? It's eating Phoenix up.

 

[A320 Driver]

A somewhat moderate post, but I am going to point out where you are completely wrong.
 
You posted about ten pages ago that the East committee should join the West and advocated for the better placement of the Nic against the APA list.  I only partially agree but ad that it is this mentality that has been the east downfall for the past ten years.
 
The reason the West's proposal kept you very close to your current position is because the West's proposal is the only one that is designed with the best interest of all New American Airlines pilots in mind.  Both the APA proposal and the East proposal are land grabs at others expense.  Absolutely no consideration is given in either as to what is best for the entire pilot group or the airline.  They are both, what is in it for me wish lists. 
 
Now, I will make another prediction.  The group that will see the end result most closely mirror their proposal, is the group that keeps every pilots best interest in mind.  We will end up with 60% of the pilot group feeling they got a little to moderately short changed, 30% feeling they got screwed ( the east idiots who are dumdfounded by the fact usapa was a loser from the get go) and 10% feeling it was close enough to not be pissed about it.  But the bottom line will be, 100% will show up to work and be glad they are AAL pilots working for the worlds largest airline, and if they open their stupid piehole and complain to me, will promptly be told to STFU!!!

I am not advocating that we shaft the AA guys as you make it sound. I am advocating that we put on a good case to keep from getting the shaft. I have always maintained from previous posts that this will end up looking very close to United/Continental if for no other reason than the arbitrators involved. The West proposal was the closest to that model IMO, and that is why I believe it kept me close to where I am today and within my expectations. The East list has me about 500 in front of what I predicted and the AA list about 1000 behind.
I can't see how we can get around fences for a time but we will see.

 

[nic4us]

You as a west pilot seem to be so concerned about pay.  You west pilots were not concerned about pay for 20 years.  What brought you out of your hibernation.
(Rhetorical question)
 
Your thoughts please nic4u. 
 
west pilot pay since 1995 in link below;
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2010%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

 
Congratulations, you made more money in 1990 at the over sized commuter with two hubs in Pennsylvania than a pilot at an upstart with a hub in PHX.
 
um...but for the past ten years, while working at the same major airline, the entire east group worked for waaaaaay less money on a faaaaarr inferior contract than their West counterparts.  I figure I made at least half a million more, had 25 more weeks of vacation and enjoyed much better bidding opportunities during that ten years than my east counterpart.

 

[A320 Driver]

Metro, as a pilot for AA, your comments are welcome.

Metro said yesterday he didn't work here and I took that to mean AA as a whole. My mistake...

 

[nic4us]

I am not advocating that we shaft the AA guys as you make it sound. I am advocating that we put on a good case to keep from getting the shaft. I have always maintained from previous posts that this will end up looking very close to United/Continental if for no other reason than the arbitrators involved. The West proposal was the closest to that model IMO, and that is why I believe it kept me close to where I am today and within my expectations. The East list has me about 500 in front of what I predicted and the AA list about 1000 behind.
I can't see how we can get around fences for a time but we will see.

My apologies then.
 
I see now that you do realize what needs to be argued is a "good case" of what is best for all AAL pilots.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Metro said yesterday he didn't work here and I took that to mean AA as a whole. My mistake...

 
I did not read his comments yesterday, I don't know where he works.
 
Either way, comments from others, whether pro-East or West should be allowed and I doubt it violates the TOS.
 

 

[nic4us]

 
Nic, do you know who Adam is? It's eating Phoenix up.

 
I don't know Adam from Adam 🙂