2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

They have permanately withdrawn. Enforcement of MB itself is front and center. Square 1.

"The USAPA Committee’s withdrawal includes withdrawal as a party under the Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement and the Ground Rules entered by the Panel. The USAPA Merger Committee will not seek to reenter the seniority list integration process at a later point, irrespective of any further ruling by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit."

 
I'd imagine that dissolving USAPA, essentially a label,  and establishing instead an east merger com would be an option...but that's but one of the previously mentioned 6 or more roads I can see possibly taken. The can of worms has been opened in any case.

 

[snapthis]

It seems USAPA withdrew from the SLI proceedings, you know, the one that had to advocate for the nic.

Bye, you won't be missed.

Seniority List Integration Arbitration Update

The parties, including the USAPA Merger Committee, the West Merger Committee, the AA Pilots Seniority Integration Committee and the company, met with the seniority list integration (SLI) arbitration panel today to discuss the impact of the Ninth Circuits decision on the SLI process. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit issued an opinion June 26 that reversed in part, vacated in part and remanded the Arizona District Courts decision in Addington, et al. v USAPA. You may read the opinion on the SLI page on alliedpilots.org under the heading "General Documents."

Counsel for the USAPA Merger Committee indicated by letter that the committee has elected to permanently withdraw from the proceedings. You may read the letter on the SLI page on alliedpilots.org under the heading "General Documents." Subsequent to receipt of the USAPA Merger Committees counsels letter, USAPA issued a letter that has also been posted to the "General Documents" section of the SLI Web page.

The remaining parties and the SLI arbitration panel will continue to meet tomorrow to review and determine future hearing plans. No substantive SLI arbitration hearings will be held tomorrow. As of now, hearings are still scheduled for the week of July 13-16, but that week of hearings may also be postponed. Pilots who planned to attend the hearings tomorrow should know that no merger committee presentations will take place.

As part of the merger, a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement was entered into by and between APA, USAPA, American Airlines and US Airways. The Protocol Agreement set forth the agreed-upon seniority integration process and was agreed by all parties to be consistent with McCaskill-Bond. Under the Protocol Agreement, APA is not a party to the SLI hearings and may not interfere in the deliberations and decision making of the Merger Committees.

APA will continue to post updates as soon as additional information is known.

 

[EastUS1]

The #### storm has been set in warp drive. Lawsuits in perpetuity.

 
The openings for such are certainly here.

 

[EastUS1]

APA will continue to post updates as soon as additional information is known.

 
 
All of which are intended to crush "you'se" and all others outside of the legacy American folks like bugs, you pathetic nitwit.

 

[Claxon]

West pilots are apparently at some kind of hastily made up celebration party and can not be reached for their comments.
 
Something about free golf lessons available there by an insider.  I heard cactusboy had some lessons and played a recent game way over par.

 

[Phoenix]

I'd imagine that dissolving USAPA, essentially a label,  and establishing instead and east merger com would be an option...but that's but one of the previously mentioned 6 or more roads I can see possbily taken. The can of worms has been opened in any case.

Read USAPA's letter (and contemplate exactly what it's effect is). The parties to the protocol agreement now have no recourse except to go to court seeking a compelled MB arbitration (which is exactly what USAPA did originally.. and it was the impetus for negotiating the Protocol Agreement.)

Once again the only way forward is the courts or negotiating. Square 1. The APA's tar baby. Union divided. Doug wins. PHX is holding aft stick, approaching a full stall.

Intermission has begun and the dancing bears are on stage. APA Legal is in a daze, but billing full speed ahead.

 

[EastCheats]

Bye, you won't be missed.
Seniority List Integration Arbitration Update
The parties, including the USAPA Merger Committee, the West Merger Committee, the AA Pilots Seniority Integration Committee and the company, met with the seniority list integration (SLI) arbitration panel today to discuss the impact of the Ninth Circuits decision on the SLI process. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit issued an opinion June 26 that reversed in part, vacated in part and remanded the Arizona District Courts decision in Addington, et al. v USAPA. You may read the opinion on the SLI page on alliedpilots.org under the heading "General Documents."
Counsel for the USAPA Merger Committee indicated by letter that the committee has elected to permanently withdraw from the proceedings. You may read the letter on the SLI page on alliedpilots.org under the heading "General Documents." Subsequent to receipt of the USAPA Merger Committees counsels letter, USAPA issued a letter that has also been posted to the "General Documents" section of the SLI Web page.
The remaining parties and the SLI arbitration panel will continue to meet tomorrow to review and determine future hearing plans. No substantive SLI arbitration hearings will be held tomorrow. As of now, hearings are still scheduled for the week of July 13-16, but that week of hearings may also be postponed. Pilots who planned to attend the hearings tomorrow should know that no merger committee presentations will take place.
As part of the merger, a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement was entered into by and between APA, USAPA, American Airlines and US Airways. The Protocol Agreement set forth the agreed-upon seniority integration process and was agreed by all parties to be consistent with McCaskill-Bond. Under the Protocol Agreement, APA is not a party to the SLI hearings and may not interfere in the deliberations and decision making of the Merger Committees.
APA will continue to post updates as soon as additional information is known.

Bye..I look forward your final issue of View attachment 10912

 

[EastUS1]

Read USAPA's letter (and contemplate exactly what it's effect is). The parties to the protocol agreement now have no recourse except to go to court seeking a compelled MB arbitration (which is exactly what USAPA did originally.. and it was the impetus for negotiating the Protocol Agreement.)

Once again the only way forward is the courts or negotiating. Square 1. The APA's tar baby.

 
Indeed. What's been "settled" by the 9th's latest is that a whole lot more grains of sand are likely to flow down the hourglass....

 

[Claxon]

Read USAPA's letter (and contemplate exactly what it's effect is). The parties to the protocol agreement now have no recourse except to go to court seeking a compelled MB arbitration (which is exactly what USAPA did originally.. and it was the impetus for negotiating the Protocol Agreement.)

Once again the only way forward is the courts or negotiating. Square 1. The APA's tar baby.

I respect your posts, but I believe there could be an agreement (however mildly coerced), to avoid arbitration.  American pilots never showed up at a SLI integration without a stapler, they will not be able to get away with that now, but they certainly will avoid arbitration at any cost.  There will be an offer by the pilot union representative, APA, that will be voted on in the near future.

 

[EastUS1]

Bye..I look forward your final issue of ...

 
Yet another "cartoon"? This begs the question: Are you truly that almost unimaginably stupid, or are you (hopefully at least) just pretending to be?

 

[EastUS1]

.... but I believe there could be an agreement (however mildly coerced), to avoid arbitration. 

 
A warm thought brother, but not honestly even imaginable by me with such giant intellects as are present from "sparta" in the mix.

 

[Phoenix]

I respect your posts, but I believe there could be an agreement (however mildly coerced), to avoid arbitration.  American pilots never showed up at a SLI integration without a stapler, they will not be able to get away with that now, but they certainly will avoid arbitration at any cost.  There will be an offer by the pilot union representative, APA, that will be voted on in the near future.

I agree they would do well to avoid arbitration. MB arbitration happens willingly or by court order. It seems neither will happen any time too soon.

A vote on a list could sorta be a "negotiated" way ahead. A ratification of a list. Yet each former bargaining agent of the covered employees can demand MB arbitration, if they believed it necessary. APA getting a list out for ratification while satisfying MB would be impressive!

 

[Res Judicata]

Read USAPA's letter (and contemplate exactly what it's effect is). The parties to the protocol agreement now have no recourse except to go to court seeking a compelled MB arbitration (which is exactly what USAPA did originally.. and it was the impetus for negotiating the Protocol Agreement.)

Once again the only way forward is the courts or negotiating. Square 1. The APA's tar baby. Union divided. Doug wins. PHX is holding aft stick, approaching a full stall.

Intermission has begun and the dancing bears are on stage. APA Legal is in a daze, but billing full speed ahead.

Uh.No. APA assembles an Ad Hoc merger committee to cover you idiots who can't keep agreements and moves on. If you don't want to be involved the SLI who gives a schitt? No one. You think today sucked? Wait until Tomorrow.  All of your cash will be frozen, you're paying the West Legal Bills.... You have no organization, no money, no fundraising and no framework to do anything of the kind. You have NOTHING. 
 
The 9th is to be commended for theri impeccable timing as to throw you scabs for the biggest loop ever with no time to react. HA!!! This is so hysterical! yet another temper tantrum, another "take my ball and go home" moment. This time, under an order from the 9th, and directly infront of the Arbitration Panel.
 
Perfect. They get to see exactly what kind of criminal, untrustworthy, no ethics Pieces of Schitt you scabs are. Again. Perfect. The crazier the better!!!!

 

[Phoenix]

Uh.No. APA assembles an Ad Hoc merger committee to cover you idiots who can't keep agreements and moves on. If you don't want to be involved the SLI who gives a schitt? No one. You think today sucked? Wait until all of your cash is frozen. You have no organization, no money, no fundraising nothing. The 9th is to be commended for thei impeccable timing as to throw you scabs for the biggest loop ever with no time to react. HA!!! This is so hysterical! yet another temper tantrum, another "take my ball and go home" moment. This time, under an order from the 9th, and directly infront of the Arbitration Panel.
 
Perfect. They get to see exactly what kind of criminal, untrustworthy, no ethics Pieces of Schitt you scabs are. Again. Perfect. The crazier the better!!!!

You always crow about how your tomorrow will always be better. Cheers.

 

[EastUS1]

Uh.No. APA assembles an Ad Hoc merger committee to cover you idiots who can't keep agreements and moves on. If you don't want to be involved the SLI who gives a schitt? No one. You think today sucked? Wait until Tomorrow.  All of your cash will be frozen, you're paying the West Legal Bills.... You have no organization, no money, no fundraising and no framework to do anything of the kind. You have NOTHING. 
 
The 9th is to be commended for theri impeccable timing as to throw you scabs for the biggest loop ever with no time to react. HA!!! This is so hysterical! yet another temper tantrum, another "take my ball and go home" moment. This time, under an order from the 9th, and directly infront of the Arbitration Panel.
 
Perfect. They get to see exactly what kind of criminal, untrustworthy, no ethics Pieces of Schitt you scabs are. Again. Perfect. The crazier the better!!!!

 
Um hum....yes, yes indeed. Gentlemen!...We must now consider petitioning the FBI on this fine fellow's behalf! Why; I've never seen anything better in way of both brilliantly logical and finely sifted forensic examination ever presented than "HA!!! This is so hysterical! yet another temper tantrum, another "take my ball and go home" moment." The fellow's brilliant logic alone I find devastating. What say all of you?....Should we not now all sign a request, nay, a demand that this sad creature be both armed and placed into a position of authority?....NO?....Aww...C'mon guys! Where's your sense of humor? We really should do that....NO? 😉
 
Call me crazy (and I've actually been certified to be at least supposedly sane) but methinks the sad lad's easy and immediate dismissal from the FBI's hiring process wasn't entirely based on failed polygraphs alone....They do put candidates through psychiatric screening as well....just sayin'....