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The 9th gets it.
 
From the outset, USAPA was irreconcilably opposed to the negotiating
 
position of the West Pilots. Conceived in the minds of the East Pilots, elected and
 
installed by the East Pilots, and constitutionally committed to a date-of-hire list
 
that favored the East Pilots, USAPA could never fairly and impartially represent
 
the West Pilots. The very reason for its existence was to undermine the Nicolau
 
Award in every manner that ALPA had refused to do. USAPA was, for all intents
 
and purposes, a representative for the East Pilots. This purpose is nowhere more
 
evident than in the East Pilots’ and USAPA’s own words. In the East Pilots’
 
consultations with counsel, they sought to develop a roadmap for creating “a new
 
bargaining agent [that] can get around the award and make the Nicolau Award
 
moot.” And although counsel cautioned the East Pilots to take care not to advertise
 
too broadly that the “sole reason for the new union” was to abrogate the Nicolau
 
Award, the East Pilots paid little heed. Their new union’s constitution spoke its
 
founders’ purpose loud and clear. USAPA’s constitution committed it “to
 
maintain[ing] uniform principles of seniority based on date of hire.” This principle
 
flatly contradicted the Nicolau Award, but it ensured that the East Pilots, whose
 
voting strength overpowered the West Pilots by more than two-to-one, would vote       
     
to certify USAPA as the new collective bargaining representative. And upon its
 
 
certification, USAPA’s first act was to submit a new seniority list to US Airways,
 
consistent with the date-of-hire principles it was constitutionally committed to
 
proselytize.
 
 
Although in Addington I we were uncertain about how the East and West
   
 
 
Pilots’ “internal disputes” would eventually “work themselves out,” 606 F.3d at
 
 
1181 n.4, USAPA’s subsequent actions have rendered the picture clear. Since
 
USAPA’s initial act of proposing a revised seniority list in 2008, it has continued
 
to oppose any efforts to reach a “Single Agreement,” the consummation of which
 
would automatically trigger the implementation of the Nicolau Award under the
 
terms of the Transition Agreement. Thus far, USAPA has been fully successful.
 
 
Two years after we decided Addington I , when US Airways and American Airlines
 
 
 
announced their merger, there was still no Single Agreement and no Nicolau
 
Award. USAPA succeeded in keeping separate the seniority lists applicable to the
 
East and West Pilots until it finally had the opportunity, in the US
 
Airways–American Airlines merger, to dismantle the Nicolau Award for good. In
 
short, USAPA’s aim to benefit the East Pilots at the expense of the West Pilots is
 
no longer in any doubt.
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
Claxon said:
Snap. Answer this, or if you wish- pass it along to the Koontz brother to ask Jeff.
Is the newly formed East Merger Committee bound to use the Nicolau Award as per Bybee and the Ninth?
 
Not my problem that some have contempt for the ruling. They have to deal with the consequences.

 
 
We all read that discourse about USAPA.
The question asked was this- Is the newly formed East Merger Committee bound to use the Nicolau Award as their position?
 
snapthis said:
Dismissed
 
I'm not in court and you are not the judge.
Never said you were. But you are unable to place any bargaining position on the new East Merger Committee. They are absolutely not bound to use the Nicolau Award and you know it.
Checkmate Bill Wilder.
Leonidas and Bybee have problems.
 
Claxon said:
One more, does Dave Simmons scratch golf instructor pass along the 9 th renderings days before others get the rulings?
 
Are you in some way implying that the Honorable Judge Baldock, father of Eastern scab Bobby Baldock, is corrupt?
 
Please do not do this.  As our manly ex-Captain 924PS has explained, this could cause you to face severe legal repercussions.  Never forget that public officials are our masters, not our servants.  Now kindly wet your pants whilst reflecting upon this.
 
Claxon said:
Never said you were. But you are unable to place any bargaining position on the new East Merger Committee. They are absolutely not bound to use the Nicolau Award and you know it.
Checkmate Bill Wilder.
Leonidas and Bybee have problems.
 
Well, there you go, you answered your own questions. It doesn't really mean much but as long as you feel better, good for you.
 
Let me guess, using your logic that USAPA will have another "checkmate" this afternoon convincing Judge Conrad of your position, the same judge who put USAPA in a corral with an injunction.  
 
 
snapthis said:
Well, there you go, you answered your own questions. It doesn't really mean much but as long as you feel better, good for you.
 
Let me guess, using your logic that USAPA will have another "checkmate" this afternoon convincing Judge Conrad of your position, the same judge who put USAPA in a corral with an injunction.
Nobody cares about USAPA anymore. east pilots look at it as the Apollo 13 astronauts looked at their Lunar Module that saved them. It had to be jettisoned, but it served them well. Hail, and farewell. Judge Conrad can have his way, you can dance. So be it.
But the reality is this: the East Merger Committee is alive and well, and has no ties to USAPA or the Nicolau Award.
Snap that!
 
Claxon said:
Nobody cares about USAPA anymore. east pilots look at it as the Apollo 13 astronauts looked at their Lunar Module that saved them. It had to be jettisoned, but it served them well. Hail, and farewell. Judge Conrad can have his way, you can dance. So be it.
But the reality is this: the East Merger Committee is alive and well, and has no ties to USAPA or the Nicolau Award.
Snap that!
 
Hey, as long as your delusions make you feel better.
 
You'll get your reality check and snap out of it.
 
dariencc said:
Are you in some way implying that the Honorable Judge Baldock, father of Eastern scab Bobby Baldock, is corrupt?
 
Please do not do this.  As our manly ex-Captain 924PS has explained, this could cause you to face severe legal repercussions.  Never forget that public officials are our masters, not our servants.  Now kindly wet your pants whilst reflecting upon this.
Corrupt judges

Eastern scabs

924PS

That sounds like a winning strategy, Carl :lol:


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snapthis said:
Hey, as long as your delusions make you feel better.
 
You'll get your reality check and snap out of it.
It is always an opinion of DELUSIONAL when you cannot answer or sidestep.
Everyone here takes notice. You will never answer the question about whether or not the East Merger Committee is bound to use the Nicolau. Nor will your pal EastCheats. Is it cheating now that it is a committee rather than a union?
We even stripped you of your INTEGRITY mantra.
Wilder pretty much ruined your day.
 
Claxon said:
Nobody cares about USAPA anymore. east pilots look at it as the Apollo 13 astronauts looked at their Lunar Module that saved them. It had to be jettisoned, but it served them well. Hail, and farewell. Judge Conrad can have his way, you can dance. So be it.
But the reality is this: the East Merger Committee is alive and well, and has no ties to USAPA or the Nicolau Award.
Snap that!
:lol: :lol:

Let me guess, medical marijuna or you live in a state where you can pass the bong around at one of your attorney/client meetings.
 
Claxon said:
It is always an opinion of DELUSIONAL when you cannot answer or sidestep.
Everyone here takes notice. You will never answer the question about whether or not the East Merger Committee is bound to use the Nicolau. Nor will your pal EastCheats. Is it cheating now that it is a committee rather than a union?
We even stripped you of your INTEGRITY mantra.
Wilder pretty much ruined your day.
That must be some pretty good stuff :lol:
 
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