2015 Pilot Discussion.

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Yes.  Goodnight, nothing more to see around here folks, just move along, the lawyers will handle it from here. 

 
Better raise some $$$
 
 
Sweet dreams.
 

 

[Monkee]

 
Whew! Personal issues too many to immediately address evidenced there. Why even include the phrase "I will hand it to you, no one can beat you in a challenge...." of any sort, at any level of perversely colorized attempts kid? Not my fault you just are who and what you are. Learn to live and grow.

 
Now the baby is just getting cranky.  Drink yourself to sleep, it wasn't a nightmare, it happened, you got your ass handed to you.....again.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Now the baby is just getting cranky.  Drink yourself to sleep, it wasn't a nightmare, it happened, you got your ass handed to you.....again.

 
I see the baby's indeed getting cranky. No worries princess. Have a fine evening. 😉
 
Umm...was learn to live and grow truly that offensive? It really was meant as a kindly suggestion.

 

[im back..!!]

 
Duh....your merger committee just pulled out of that deal.
 
Man you guys are dense.  You got the same injunction Wake ordered years ago.  
 
Does not matter how long you delay.  Final and binding is FINAL and BINDING.
 
Your problem now is the company is going to use the Nic at LUS for all future bids, so delay does not do a dam thing for ya.

The company is on record as to equipment bids. no inter transfers, it didn't go well with the flight attendants. any transfer of bases will not happen till early 2017. the 9th just bought you guys another summer in there desert.
 
after the banter ion CnR, i dowt the LAA are in any more hurry now than the east....lol, crowed a little soon , me thinks...!!

 

[Res Judicata]

Sleep tight Eastholes. The West...AKA Leonidas will represent you well.

 

[EastCheats]

The company is on record as to equipment bids. no inter transfers, it didn't go well with the flight attendants. any transfer of bases will not happen till early 2017. the 9th just bought you guys another summer in there desert.
 
after the banter ion CnR, i dowt the LAA are in any more hurry now than the east....lol, crowed a little soon , me thinks...!!

 
I don't know how you got any info from the C&R's. There was a major pileup on that forum today.
 
I think they were still installing the programs to allow dial-up internet access. 😉
 

 

[N924PS]

The company is on record as to equipment bids. no inter transfers, it didn't go well with the flight attendants. any transfer of bases will not happen till early 2017. the 9th just bought you guys another summer in there desert.
 
after the banter ion CnR, i dowt the LAA are in any more hurry now than the east....lol, crowed a little soon , me thinks...!!

Just curious where you got your information regarding the flight attendants?

I have many PSA F/A friends that went to PHX as soon as they could and are having a lovely time flying the Hawaii trips. While no longer flying the big airplanes to Europe, they find the commute worth the change, and with a few exceptions, have found the West F/As AND Pilots enjoyable co-workers.

And likewise with the West F/As that now fly from East bases. A very nice group that are happy to be there.

 

[Phoenix]

Just curious where you got your information regarding the flight attendants?

I have many PSA F/A friends that went to PHX as soon as they could and are having a lovely time flying the Hawaii trips. While no longer flying the big airplanes to Europe, they find the commute worth the change, and with a few exceptions, have found the West F/As AND Pilots enjoyable co-workers.

And likewise with the West F/As that now fly from East bases. A very nice group that are happy to be there.

 
 
Happy employees, every one of them?  Yes, a terrible failure in the eyes of management.   Far too much profit was obviously left on the cutting room floor.   

 

[N924PS]

Happy employees, every one of them?  Yes, a terrible failure in the eyes of management.   Far too much profit was obviously left on the cutting room floor.

I know it's a concept beyond your grasp.

You and your posse on this forum are individuals that are largely unhappy, and could never be happy, even if you had a Delta contract with no NIC.

You would find fault with something. The crew meals aren't vegan. The hotel van is a Chevy not a Ford.......

 

[Phoenix]

I know it's a concept beyond your grasp.

You and your posse on this forum are individuals that are largely unhappy, and could never be happy, even if you had a Delta contract with no NIC.

You would find fault with something. The crew meals aren't vegan. The hotel van is a Chevy not a Ford.......

 
Jerry Glass is paid handsomely to calculate employee satisfaction.  
 
Your sense of humor is mis-calibrated.  😀  

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
Hmm...That's ridiculous. You must thereby be fantasizing the average IQ of the east to be similar to that of the west. No worries there son.

I would hope not. I understand one of your geniuses, Elmo, Elmer or Elwood Menear wrote the APA today.

I question the IQ of people who make headlines like this:

Pilot's remark results in charges The US Airways employee made a comment to security about bringing a plane down. He faces misdemeanor counts.

Philly.com/2002

A US Airways pilot was charged with making terroristic threats and disorderly conduct after making an inappropriate comment at a security checkpoint at Philadelphia International Airport early yesterday, police said.
Elwood Menear, 46, of Annville, Pa., suggested that he did not require an illegal item to bring a plane down, airport officials confirmed. Police said Menear was detained at Security Checkpoint B and charged with the two misdemeanors, said Philadelphia Police Cpl. Jim Pauley, a police spokesman. Pauley said Menear might remain in custody overnight.
Linda Vizi, a spokeswoman for the FBI, said the bureau also was involved in the investigation.
"We will present the facts to the U.S. Attorney's Office and make a determination tomorrow or the next day as to whether he'll be charged federally," Vizi said last night.
The incident, which occurred about 7 a.m. yesterday, was the second time since November that a US Airways pilot had made an inappropriate remark. Airport spokesman Mark Pesce said that unlike in the previous incident, the pilot was detained immediately and security measures were not breached.
On Nov. 3, an unidentified pilot made a remark about a gun to a security worker, who allowed the pilot to continue through the checkpoint. By the time the security worker had second thoughts and contacted his supervisor, the pilot could not be located. As a result, the terminal was evacuated, delaying thousands of passengers for hours.
US Airways spokesman David Castelveter said the flight to Milwaukee that Menear was supposed to fly was delayed slightly so that another pilot could be found.
"We do take these matters very seriously," Castelveter said.
"We find this type of behavior inappropriate, and we're working with the police.
"In this case, the process worked," he said.
"There was no safety risk to passengers."
Asked what effect the arrest would have on Menear's employment with US Airways, Castelveter said the company could not comment until today, after it had reviewed the situation.
Arlene Salac, a spokeswoman from the Federal Aviation Administration, said the FAA had the authority to suspend or revoke Menear's license; however, under the Sensitive Security Act, that information could not be made public for at least a year.
Kathleen Brady Shea's e-mail address is kbrady@phillynews.com.
by Taboolaby Taboola


Dear Captain Wilson and the APA Board:


APA have wisely chosen to postpone the seniority integration hearing and for that I am grateful. I would ask you all to soberly consider the implications, both in the short and the longer term, of somehow applying a slap-dash band aid to the problem handed you, by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Legacy USAirways pilots, including me, must have our positions on forming a single seniority list vigorously advocated for. I do not accept the ridiculous ruling of two judges, which undoes the results of several full trials. Should APA attempt to proceed, prior to the full resolution and reversal of the recent ruling, the implications for a Duty of Fair Representation failure on your part should be obvious.

APA are the single and only Collective Bargaining Agent, for all of the Pilots of The New American Airlines. As such you members of the representative body are responsible to see to it that the bargaining positions of all the component parts of this new airline are heard.

As you may be aware, the Ninth Circuit is the most often reversed Court, in the Federal System and this ruling should help to keep their unenviable record intact. In the mean time, do not do the companys job. Do not be problem solvers for parties whose intentions are partisan at best, or in the case of Management, contrary to those of any Union worthy of the name. Finally, resist any temptation to use this temporary, (in every sense of the word) hiccup, as a means to advantage either the Legacy American Pilots, or those of the former America West. Any attempt to do so will result in a legal quagmire; the resolve of the Legacy USAirways pilots on the matter of their seniority has been convincingly demonstrated in the recent past. We havent changed our position on the matter.....

We can operate nicely, as three separate entities and pilot groups, until such time as a proper an unbiased hearing can take place. That is impossible, so long as this ruling has the weight of law. To do otherwise is to ensure years of litigation for APA.

We are all watching, with vested and keen interest to see how you, APA, handle this situation. I trust you will do the right thing.

Thank you all, for your service to the Line Pilots of New American Airlines.

Fraternally,

Captain Elwood Menear

PHL 76-International

 

[im back..!!]

Sleep tight Eastholes. The West...AKA Leonidas will represent you well.

i believe the APA will allow a East group (not previously involved with USAPA to be gathered, get knowledgable and represent the East. similar to the wayy the West was allowed.
 
the East reps will not be bound to advocate for the NIC as it is not USAPA, we east pilots are APA pilots representing ourselves against two other groups.
 
sounds simple, but, will require at least as much time as was allowed for the west group to get spooled up. by the time that is done and the arbs are rescheduled and the new east list (previous was tainted) concocted and turned in....id say,at least a year. id be surprised if we are not rt here this time next year, ready to get started.
 
and it docent much matter, the company isn't able to effect bids to other bases due to it issues till i heard spring 2017. so, we wait...
 
 
"and the attrition train goes, TooT-TooT".....

 

[im back..!!]

Just curious where you got your information regarding the flight attendants?

I have many PSA F/A friends that went to PHX as soon as they could and are having a lovely time flying the Hawaii trips. While no longer flying the big airplanes to Europe, they find the commute worth the change, and with a few exceptions, have found the West F/As AND Pilots enjoyable co-workers.

And likewise with the West F/As that now fly from East bases. A very nice group that are happy to be there.

my information about the flight attendants cam from mr Kirby at the PHX crew news. most recent one. he stated that their were issues much deeper than just learning the new systems to bid. paychecks were missed, legalities were in jeopardy, etc....
 
watch it your self, I'm sure you won't believe me, I'm an easy....lol

 

[im back..!!]

Just curious where you got your information regarding the flight attendants?

I have many PSA F/A friends that went to PHX as soon as they could and are having a lovely time flying the Hawaii trips. While no longer flying the big airplanes to Europe, they find the commute worth the change, and with a few exceptions, have found the West F/As AND Pilots enjoyable co-workers.

And likewise with the West F/As that now fly from East bases. A very nice group that are happy to be there.

i also have flown with west flt attendants, very nice, good at their jobs, a pleasure to work with.
 
it was our president that said there were issues, not the employees.

 

[im back..!!]

 
I don't know how you got any info from the C&R's. There was a major pileup on that forum today.
 
I think they were still installing the programs to allow dial-up internet access. 😉
 

i think that the new CnR is a colossal failure. they should let whoever is in charge of cactus pilot .com redo it immediately. maybe bring him on as a consultant with a hefty stipend.
 
that thing they have now is worthless, unless that was their intent.