2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Res Judicata]

mitch is busy being part of the west sli committee.

Which committee is that? The one that just kicked you scabs' teeth in?

 

[CactusPilot1]

Which committee is that? The one that just kicked you scabs' teeth in?

 
Let's say that the West pilots were denied a committee. USAPA was chugging along representing the West pilots (yea right) then the 9th's ruling came down and the same result. The Nic. Nice job Marty.
 
How's your 4th going so far Res? Mine is starting out great.
 

 

[CactusPilot1]

Chew on this:
 
En Banc: Snowball's chance
 
Scotus: The chances of having a writ heard is nil. Stats from the last session ending June, 2015, 68 heard out of 8000 filed.

 

[snapthis]

Chew on this:
 
En Banc: Snowball's chance
 
Scotus: The chances of having a writ heard is nil. Stats from the last session ending June, 2015, 68 heard out of 8000 filed.

 
That's the reason, that they want to shed the USAPA garb and reinvent themselves in the form of a new committee. They are in a real bind and Claxon's worried about the tough questions because he sees it as well.
 
Happy 4th of July

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
That's the reason, that they want to shed the USAPA garb and reinvent themselves in the form of a new committee. They are in a real bind and Claxon's worried about the tough questions because he sees it as well.
 
Happy 4th of July

 
I like seeing them getting their hopes up on the C&R's. That's not where it's decided and the APA is not going to go out on a limb and risk the branch breaking and going down with them.
 
Happy 4th, Snap.
 

 

[Claxon]

 
That's the reason, that they want to shed the USAPA garb and reinvent themselves in the form of a new committee. They are in a real bind and Claxon's worried about the tough questions because he sees it as well.
 
Happy 4th of July

"APA's letter brief asserts that, in light of the unforeseen turn of events, the panel has the authority to interpret the Protocol Agreement to answer the above questions and allow for a replacement East Merger Committee."
 
Allied Pilots Association update   07/02/15

 

[Claxon]

 
I like seeing them getting their hopes up on the C&R's. That's not where it's decided and the APA is not going to go out on a limb and risk the branch breaking and going down with them.
 
Happy 4th, Snap.
 

"APA's letter brief asserts that, in light of the unforeseen turn of events, the panel has the authority to interpret the Protocol Agreement to answer the above questions and allow for a replacement East Merger Committee."
 
APA update yesterday
 
Your thoughts please sir on the quote above and the quote below?

 

[snapthis]

I like seeing them getting their hopes up on the C&R's. That's not where it's decided and the APA is not going to go out on a limb and risk the branch breaking and going down with them.
 
Happy 4th, Snap.

True,

I see a full court press here. Claxon is a politician, been around a long time, just look at the articles written back around 2000 while he was with ALPA. He's like a Bush or Clinton, not really concerned about the masses, more about his position and perception of influence. He's no longer running the show and is background noise.

Here are a couple of examples:

In this quote Mike Cleary and Randy Mowrey clearly state

The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all
the equities inherent in their merger situation... until
a fair and equitable agreement is reached, and, The
Merger Policy provides that... The Award shall be final
and binding.
[US Airwaves, June/July 2000, Cleary - Mowrey]

The only certainty in seniority integration is
that the outcome is never certain... Each case
presents its own facts and equities, and each
requires a resolution tailor-made to the situation
presented."
[US AIRWAVES, Jan/Feb/Mar
2002. Cleary - Mowrey]

 

[snapthis]

Mike is no longer in a position to make decisions so why would people go to him to get the answers? The questions need to be addressed USAPA LLC or whoever they are now.

 

[Claxon]

True,

I see a full court press here. Claxon is a politician, been around a long time, just look at the articles written back around 2000 while he was with ALPA. He's like a Bush or Clinton, not really concerned about the masses, more about his position and perception of influence. He's no longer running the show and is background noise.............

Here is an article written about the same time period;
 
"I found the America West Airline drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations, America West, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon a career in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing, since they had not filed flight plans. On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix-up they did not wish to fly back empty. Despite the lofty positions these men held with America West, they seemed to have no difficulty getting time off for their drug flights, and America West wanted to rehire Russell after his six months in the Federal country club.
Twenty percent of the stock of AMERICA WEST AIRLINES was owned by ANSETT AIRLINES of Australia and 55% of ANSETT AIRLINES.
 
I watched Assistant U.S. Attorney James Lacey prosecute both rounds of this case. The three AMERICA WEST pilots had all plea bargained out. If they did not testify truthfully about the others in the case, they would be looking forward to serious time. Lacey prosecutes all the large narcotics cases in Arizona. Because he is the son of Frederic Lacey, the federal judge appointed by the Justice Department to be administrator of the Teamsters Union, Jim Lacey has unusual clout in the U.S. Attorney's office here. Although Lacey could not deny the pertinence of the information I gave him, it was clear that he did not want to know where this case ultimately led. I watched him play patty cake with the defendants when he should have been playing hard ball.
The plot began ia July of 1986 when Helmut Bubble called Thurston from Alaska and arranged a meeting at the ARIZONA BILTMORE RESORT HOTEL with Thurston and the other pilots. Ten days later they met again in Bangkok, Thailand to arrange their first cargo. Their original plan was to make their pick-up in communist Laos. One doesn't go to the great difficulty to travel to restricted Laos to purchase marijuana or Thai stick as the pilots claimed. Pot is legal in Thailand. One goes to Laos for heroin. Thurston testified that his cut of this first flight was to be one million dollars. When I ran the numbers for Lacey, it was obvious that only a heroin cargo would generate this amount of profit. With the DC 6, three or four flights a year would have provided the entire US requirement for heroin."
 

 

[snapthis]

Here you go, Mike. You tried to stop the brochures being mailed with false ID theft charges. Guess what, they are still here. Along with the 3 pilots who were not guilty of any crime. So much for the accusations.
 
 
 
Here's what you were scared of:
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_Booklet_Issue_3.pdf
 
 
More for your reading pleasure:
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_brochure_Issue_1.pdf
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_Brochure_Issue_2.pdf
 
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_Booklet_Issue_4.pdf

 

[Claxon]

Here you go, Mike. You tried to stop the brochures being mailed with false ID theft charges. Guess what, they are still here. Along with the 3 pilots
who were not guilty of any crime. So much for the accusations.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_Booklet_Issue_3.pdf

John Scherff your APA phx rep now, was an america west flight crew manager in phx.
 
Did he or did he not go into a company computer and make a copy of all US Airways East pilot info and hand it over to the other present phx APA rep, eric ferguson who was one of the leaders of the amry of leonidas?  Yes or no?
 
Yes or No?     Did the company purchase Lifelock tm id protection at the tune of a half a million dollars for the East pilots?

 

[Phoenix]

"APA's letter brief asserts that, in light of the unforeseen turn of events, the panel has the authority to interpret the Protocol Agreement to answer the above questions and allow for a replacement East Merger Committee."
 
Allied Pilots Association update   07/02/15

 
 
There is nothing explicit in the PA that provides for that, and there are no doubt competing opinions on that, in addition to the basic disagreement on how MB must be implemented.  Multiple parties with multiple disagreements with multiple reasons to litigate, regardless of how the panel chooses to proceed or delay on their self-appointed questions 1 &2.  
 
"Bybee the Beneficent Bumbler"  

 

[snapthis]

John Scherff your APA phx rep now, was an america west flight crew manager in phx.
 
Did he or did he not go into a company computer and make a copy of all US Airways East pilot info and hand it over to the other present phx APA rep, eric ferguson who was one of the leaders of the amry of leonidas?  Yes or no?
 
Yes or No?     Did the company purchase Lifelock tm id protection at the tune of a half a million dollars for the East pilots?

 
What are you afraid of? The truth? Cleary's hysteria cost the company a lot of money. He did not want the East pilots to read those brochures. Guess what they are still there. He should have learned his lesson after RICO charges against West were thrown out of court. Then, these false ID theft charges which went nowhere. Of course Eric and John are still here, genius. Wouldn't you think if someone at AA who stole ID's would be employees? No, they'd be in jail. Come on, use your common sense.
 
I'm sure people will be curious about those brochures since Cleary made a big stink about it.
 
You have not had a very good week after that loss in the 9th.
 
Be sure not to let the bad news ruin your 4th of July weekend.
 

 

[Claxon]

John Scherff your APA phx rep now, was an america west flight crew manager in phx.
 
Did he or did he not go into a company computer and make a copy of all US Airways East pilot info and hand it over to the other present phx APA rep, eric ferguson who was one of the leaders of the amry of leonidas?  Yes or no?
 
Yes or No?     Did the company purchase Lifelock tm id protection at the tune of a half a million dollars for the East pilots?

Objection. 
 
Answer the two questions.  Yes or no?