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luvthe9 said:
Seriously!
Big smiles !!!
Yes, seriously. If you're smiling, then you are out of touch with the PHL/CLT update. You people are so far out there in left field, you are in the stands. As observers...

You put yourselves there and that's where you belong since you can't follow rules and norms.
 
snapthis said:
We won the case in the 9th and the "wagons" are being jacked with. Sure.
 
Is this a call to action?
 
Are these "wagons" powered by mules?
Some jack wagons are smart enough not to falsify the logbook.
 
EastUS1 said:
Wow!..Umm...Whew! Aren't you the one trying to usurp nearly two decades of other folks worked-years? How did you personally "earn" the right to even try doing that to anyone else, under ANY circumstances EVER? There sometimes really are those suprising times when words just fail me entirely...Might you be so kind as even TRY to explain that one in a bit more detail?...Most especially the "earning something for once in your life" part? 😉
You're entitled and you certainly were not entitled to the jobs West pilots brought to the acquisition. Period.
 
snapthis said:
Rules don't apply to them. They take money from the West to fund their objectives, withdraw from the process and then complain about not having representation.
 
 
Their comical update reads in part..
 
Fellow PHL and CLT Pilots,
By now everyone is aware of the bomb dropped by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on the SLI and McCaskill-Bond process. By a two-to-one vote, the court decided that the MOU was somehow equal to a JCBA between US Airways pilots and America West pilots, and hence was an event that triggered the use of the old ALPA proposal, the never-implemented Nicolau list. As you know, given the Court’s unprecedented ruling, which conflicts not only with Federal Law but also with what all parties to the MOU agreed to, the USAPA merger committee had no choice but to permanently withdraw from the McCaskill-Bond SLI Arbitration. While the merits of the Court’s decision can be argued (and most likely will), McCaskill-Bond mandates the East pilots have a right to be represented freely and fairly in the process that will determine the rest of their careers. Predictably, you can anticipate the West and APA Merger Committees to take full advantage this last minute ruling.
What we will not stand for however, is the Company’s position that 3500 east pilots should not be adequately represented.
Here's what our guys are saying about that update:

The East can write and amend club-USAPA's rules as much as they want. They don't follow their own policies anyway. They can threaten to recall, or actually recall, or whatever they want, but if they do not have their elite seniority Dream Team in place at kickoff the the game will go on without them. APA has to use "best efforts." I think the arbitrators would frown upon any real or suspected collusion between APA and the East in order to manufacture more delay.

Spoiled little children. The sooner we take away their piggy bank, the better.

Always deflecting responsibility to someone else provides the cover from explaining ones own actions and being held accountable.

They truly are delusional. They actually believe that crap they put out. I don't know which is worse. Concocting the scheme that they did, knowing it's a bastardization of laws and ethics but knowing it's true nature. Or doing it and believing it's actually all true

WOW. The easties have a MC. They withdrew, and it's the company's fault? If the east pilots want a committee, they need to demand that the one they had show up and represent them.

No "supremely confident" from them this time. They withdrew the merger committee but say they want to be represented. Delusional once again!

Translation:
"We agreed to take the MOU candy; we ate it and **** it; the bag is now empty; we never got any; we need a new bag...."

"...they may have very well have created the most disputed and contentious seniority arbitration in merger history, one even greater than Nicolau."
These guys ARE creating the most disputed and contentious seniority arbitration in merger history by their failure to manage expectations. Welcome to the parrrrrttttttyyyyy APA!!!!!

The new-Nics are suggesting that because they chose to withdraw from SLI, that they are somehow being treated desperately.
No one "forced" them to withdraw

Please somebody end the insanity!

Stupid only understands that level of debate. Rational, logical, calm reasoning is lost on them.

There's four people who apparently don't understand what is learned by most 8th graders: the judiciary interprets and is the final review of the laws made by Congress. The 9th Circuit opinion is the law of the case; they and they only decide what the law means as applied to our case after the disctrict court had their crack at it, so there isn't any "conflict with Federal Law."

.....that letter seems, at last, FEAR is setting in.....

Basically, all the 9th really said was that the law requires them to keep their word and honor the commitment they made by going to arbitration with Nicolau years ago.there sure has been a lot of tantrums, blame, and BS to avoid keeping the commitment that was made 8+ years ago.apparently, they are STILL not trustworthy, and not willing to look at the original issue, their responsibility, nor their lack of integrity.kind of like watching the same Jerry Springer show, over and over and over and over.... ad nauseum...

They repeat this garbage long enough.........

These guys do need a boogey man. In their minds they can do no wrong, so it has to be some one else's fault.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Yes, seriously. If you're smiling, then you are out of touch with the PHL/CLT update. You people are so far out there in left field, you are in the stands. As observers...
You put yourselves there and that's where you belong since you can't follow rules and norms.


Maybe you don't know all the facts, Yet!
 
snapthis said:
The West has nobody named Jack Wagon. It must be one of your guys.
The West list doesn't have anyone named "George Nicolau III" either, and that was the problem.
 
I guess U-decertified did not have any nominees from Phoenix. These boneheads are all over the place. They don't want U-stupid participating in SLI yet they feel the need to hold elections.

Really?

Someone please beam these people back up.


Nomination Results: 2015 CLT Domicile and the CLT and PHX Special Domicile Officers

The Ballot Certification Committee thanks all members who participated in the nomination process. Nominations closed at 1400 ET Monday, July 6, 2015.
Nominees shall execute a statement, in a form provided by the Secretary-Treasurer, indicating a willingness to serve if elected and the “Conflict of Interest Disclosure” form set forth in Appendix B to the USAPA Constitution & Bylaws. These forms are available in the Ballot Certification Committee section of the USAPA Web site. A nominee may only run for one position and must denote it on the “Willing to Serve” form. The executed “Willing to Serve” form and “Conflict of Interest Disclosure” form must be received by the Secretary-Treasurer no later than 1700 EDT on July 13, 2015. If desired, these forms may be transmitted via fax to (704) 936-4592.
Election balloting is anticipated to take place by Internet from July 20, 2015 through August 10, 2015. If necessary, a runoff election is anticipated to be conducted from August 17, 2015, through September 7, 2015. Notice of election and voting instructions will be posted on the USAPA Web site and emailed 21 days prior to the close of voting.

The nominations for CLT were submitted as follows. No nominees were submitted for the Phoenix Domicile.

Nomination for CLT Domicile Chairman (term ending September 30, 2015)
Nominees:
BURDICK, ROBERT
JAVUREK, JAMES L
MILLINER JR, LEWIS B
WRIGHT, TRACY A
_______________________________________
Nomination for CLT Domicile Chairman
Nominees:
JAVUREK, JAMES L
LEROY, HARTLEY D
MILLINER JR, LEWIS B
WRIGHT, TRACY A

Nomination for CLT Domicile Vice Chairman
Nominees:
BURDICK, ROBERT
JAVUREK, JAMES L
MILLINER JR, LEWIS B
WRIGHT, TRACY A
MERSHON , PHILLIP T
 
Phoenix said:
The West list doesn't have anyone named "George Nicolau III" either, and that was the problem.
 I think we will call it the boomerang. Every time you try to throw it out, it comes back to whack you upside the head. I don't see that as a problem for us.
 
The Three Stooges of Phoenix showing their finest when their predictions of doom go off the rails.
Scurry back to C&R and back Simmons up. They are beating him up over there.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
You're entitled and you certainly were not entitled ......
 
Umm....Uh....Hokay. Whatever "you'se" say. 😉
 
That's still left a bit vague there on just what you've personally EVER done that "earned" you as much as 17 worked-years of anyone else's life. Care to expand a bit there? Try not to short out those clearly precious few remaining (or ever even initially present) synapses...?
 
Hint: Some arbitrator handed me a gift's not the true definition of personally "earning" anything, ever.
 
Claxon said:
I am a little bit confused about footnote 12 in the remedy portion of the 9th ruling, would any west pilot help me in this matter?Rhetorical question warning to be fair.
Dave, Cactus1, the ever present Spinthis, and Eastcheats continue to dodge the question.
Nice try west pilots.
 
Claxon said:
Dave, Cactus1, the ever present Spinthis, and Eastcheats continue to dodge the question.
Nice try west pilots.
I have a question. When do you expect Mike Cleary to come out of his basement and return to the line? 😉
 
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