2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

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You put yourselves there and that's where you belong since you can't follow rules and norms.

 
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly." Albert Einstein

 

[EastCheats]

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly." Albert Einstein

Did somebody say spirits? What's in the red Solo cup today, Ace?

 

[EastUS1]

Did somebody say spirits? What's in the red Solo cup today, Ace?

 
Ask Albert. I but quoted from a mind far superior to my own. "You'se" might aspire to similar results quoting from the following philosopher's works: https://www.google.com/search?q=zippy+the+pinhead&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ehycVYGmGceeNs7mgqAP&ved=0CDYQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=969

 

[Claxon]

snapthis, on 06 Jul 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:
Serious dismissal with instructions not to bring it back. You had nothing.

Witch hunt.
Well here we have spinthis cherry picking another court finding.

The judge's opinion was it was not a Rico but serious and should be taken up in state court.

"The Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint raises
serious allegations against the Defendants; it alleges acts of intimidation,
harassment, and other threatening behavior against the Plaintiff and its
members. While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, it may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing."

District Court, North Carolina

http://cactus18.type...files/final.pdf Read page 45.


Spinthis perpetually claims there were absolutely no acts against USAPA.

 

[Metroyet]

Apologies if this has been asked already; and frankly I can't imagine that it hasn't been. But what happens if Silver slams the "New and Improved: (aka "it wasn't us") East Committee with the 9ths order? Seems like a no brainer considering the ferocity and specificity of the order, ie the culprits, the victims and the harm.
 
That order doesn't disappear with USAPA. The 9th fully understood that USAPA was an FBA and ordered against them (East)  anyway, so clearly the dissolution of the FBA isn't a concern of theirs.
 
Will the "it wasn't us" gang take their invisible ball and go home again? My guess is they will and attempt to go after the APA under some contrived, imagined DFR regarding MB.
 
What say all of you?

 

[Claxon]

"YOU HAD NOTHING" - Spinthis

Kind of like Richard Nixon- " I AM NOT A CROOK"

 

[Claxon]

Apologies if this has been asked already; and frankly I can't imagine that it hasn't been. But what happens if Silver slams the "New and Improved: (aka "it wasn't us") East Committee with the 9ths order? Seems like a no brainer considering the ferocity and specificity of the order, ie the culprits, the victims and the harm.
 
That order doesn't disappear with USAPA. The 9th fully understood that USAPA was an FBA and ordered against them (East)  anyway, so clearly the dissolution of the FBA isn't a concern of theirs.
 
Will the "it wasn't us" gang take their invisible ball and go home again? My guess is they will and attempt to go after the APA under some contrived, imagined DFR regarding MB.
 
What say all of you?

Read my tag line below.
Nothing could be clearer.

 

[Metroyet]

Read my tag line below.
Nothing could be clearer.

Yeah. I get that. If that's no big deal then why did USAPA leave? They were NOT ordered to leave, just advocate for the Nic. If Silver attaches the 9th's order to the new "east" committee, how is that any different?
 
Do they take their ball and go home again?
 
The 9th was crystal clear that the harm being done to the West was to end. That isn't a friendly suggestion. I'm sure there is good reason Leonidas hasn't said a word yet. Rest assured they're working overtime.
 
Also, the Arbs didn't say they wouldn't honor a court order, they said that they wouldn't put any constraints on any group on their OWN. If so ordered, they will follow the law and consider all the testimony that is presented them meaning the Nic is presented 2-1 against the LAA group.
 
They can do whatever they want after that...however, reordering an existing list has NEVER happened outside of a courtroom. USAPA tried and failed for 8 years to reorder the nic and we all saw how impressed the 9th was with USAPA's actions during that attempt.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Apologies if this has been asked already; and frankly I can't imagine that it hasn't been. But what happens if Silver slams the "New and Improved: (aka "it wasn't us") East Committee with the 9ths order? Seems like a no brainer considering the ferocity and specificity of the order, ie the culprits, the victims and the harm.
 
That order doesn't disappear with USAPA. The 9th fully understood that USAPA was an FBA and ordered against them (East)  anyway, so clearly the dissolution of the FBA isn't a concern of theirs.
 
Will the "it wasn't us" gang take their invisible ball and go home again? My guess is they will and attempt to go after the APA under some contrived, imagined DFR regarding MB.
 
What say all of you?

 
Doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
 
If she "improves" on what the Ninth ordered her to do, then there will be yet another appeal of the new material and more delay.
 
We love delay, as does the APA.  You forced delays on us for nearly a decade, and we've come to see the joy in it!

 

[Metroyet]

 
Doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
 
If she "improves" on what the Ninth ordered her to do, then there will be yet another appeal of the new material and more delay.
 
We love delay, as does the APA.  You forced delays on us for nearly a decade, and we've come to see the joy in it!

How do you plan to "appeal"? SCOTUS? You're going to attempt  that anyway. The Arbs were pretty clear that they are moving on full speed ahead after this last delay. I believe them. Whatever Silver says will stand long before any writ of certiorari will be looked at.
 
Again, if the 9th is no big deal, why did USAPA quit? You realize that by doing that the East has forfeited USAPA's treasury right?
 
You know? The "union" treasury that ALL US Airways pilots paid into, (under threat of termination) for the "benefit" of ALL US Airways pilots...
 
Interesting to see what 'ol Conrad says about that.

 

[EastCheats]

Read my tag line below.
Nothing could be clearer.

I like this one better. There's not much a new committee can do about that (marginalized) so the process moves along without delay 😉

"USAPA has abandoned any continued role in the seniority integration process, regardless of whether the limitations contained in Addington are clarified, modified, or rescinded. "

 

[Freighterguynow]

it."Hey johnny mac, how is it going lately? Have not seen you on the APA board lately telling AMR pilots about your relative seniority expectations.

After multiple posts about pooping in a box for AA, he has been silent.

Guess he's busy.

 

[Phoenix]

Yes, seriously. If you're smiling, then you are out of touch with the PHL/CLT update. You people are so far out there in left field, you are in the stands. As observers...

You put yourselves there and that's where you belong since you can't follow rules and norms.

Yeah. I get that. If that's no big deal then why did USAPA leave? They were NOT ordered to leave, just advocate for the Nic. If Silver attaches the 9th's order to the new "east" committee, how is that any different?
 
Do they take their ball and go home again?
 
The 9th was crystal clear that the harm being done to the West was to end. That isn't a friendly suggestion. I'm sure there is good reason Leonidas hasn't said a word yet. Rest assured they're working overtime.
 
Also, the Arbs didn't say they wouldn't honor a court order, they said that they wouldn't put any constraints on any group on their OWN. If so ordered, they will follow the law and consider all the testimony that is presented them meaning the Nic is presented 2-1 against the LAA group.
 
They can do whatever they want after that...however, reordering an existing list has NEVER happened outside of a courtroom. USAPA tried and failed for 8 years to reorder the nic and we all saw how impressed the 9th was with USAPA's actions during that attempt.

The 9th didn't enjoin the company. They didn't enjoin the AAPSIC. They didn't enjoin the West Committee. And most importantly, they didn't enjoin the APA. If the APA establishes an East Committee, then how on earth does a non-injunction flow to a subordinate committee established by the APA?

USAPA is not establishing an East committee are they? Look closely. Read the footnote again. Slowly. The 9th acknowledged the two East and West separate lists... Just like the MOU and protocol agreement... and declined to enjoin anyone about using the Nic for anything..

P.S. We are all getting a refund from USAPA soon.. You should go buy a really big boat.

 

[snapthis]

"YOU HAD NOTHING" - Spinthis

Kind of like Richard Nixon- " I AM NOT A CROOK"

 
You need to learn how to focus. The case was dismissed (C-18), period, end of story. It's along the lines of that footnote which means squat which you are obsessed. The fact of the matter, is that you threw a fit and abandoned the process. You pretty much screwed yourselves. I don't have much sympathy for you except the 3rd listers, who deserved better representation.

 

[luvthe9]

How do you plan to "appeal"? SCOTUS? You're going to attempt  that anyway. The Arbs were pretty clear that they are moving on full speed ahead after this last delay. I believe them. Whatever Silver says will stand long before any writ of certiorari will be looked at.
 
Again, if the 9th is no big deal, why did USAPA quit? You realize that by doing that the East has forfeited USAPA's treasury right?
 
You know? The "union" treasury that ALL US Airways pilots paid into, (under threat of termination) for the "benefit" of ALL US Airways pilots...
 
Interesting to see what 'ol Conrad says about that.

That would be many years away, those poor westies will never get out of PHX



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