2015 Pilot Discussion.

[cactusboy53]

Ah!  A "count UP" clock!   Nice change of pace for this thread!

All those days past without a significant raise. BRILLIANT! !

 

[CallawayGolf]

You usually are level headed and precise with your words (and post infrequently).  Not so this time.  No where did the 9th say what you just said.  The reality is that the 9th stopped short of requiring anybody to ever use the Nic for anything at all, ever.  It is the most unremarkable "win". 
 
DUI never gave a rats patoot about anything except more profits and the Nic is just one more item in a long list of levers that enable the real winners to buy higher, wider, and longer yachts (i.e. Goldfish, steeped in self-pity and self-righteousness, notwithstanding).

Thanks. I wasn't quoting the 9th, just simply point out that they made clear that USAPA the CBA had discriminated against the west by not advocating for the NIC, which if USAPA was still. CBA would be a violation of their DFR. So if USAPA not advocating for the NIC was a DFR when fully ripe, then the company would have been liable for collusion if they had also set aside the results of the binding arbitration award as controlled by the TA.

 

[EastUS1]

All those days past without a significant raise. BRILLIANT! !

 
You're now making more than your personal qualifications via employment at AWA could've ever even let you dream of. Quit your whining.
 
Additionally; there are far more important things in life than money, which, if "you'se" actually had even the tiniest excuse for personal "Integrity" you would fully understand and not need to be told.
 
Speaking of your incessant whining: I still see no PM response to my wager....?...Not even so much as yet another mighty cry of "This is Sparta!"...? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

.....USAPA the CBA had discriminated against the west by not advocating for the NIC, ...

 
So then: "Nic lives matter!"....? You disappoint with useage of the terms "discriminated against", as if you're somehow part of a long-nobly-suffering, tortured and abused "minority". The net goal of the west's nic crusade was to place your brand hew hires ahead of people that'd actually worked even 16-17 full years already, and to see the bulk of you usurp at least a whole decade of your "fellow" pilots' worked lives.

 

[CallawayGolf]

So then: "Nic lives matter!"....? You disappoint with useage of the terms "discriminated against", as if you're somehow part of a long-nobly-suffering, tortured and abused "minority". The net goal of the west's nic crusade was to place your brand hew hires ahead of people that'd actually worked even 16-17 full years already, and to see the bulk of you usurp at least a whole decade of your "fellow" pilots' worked lives.

Discrimination was Bybee's choice of words. I just pulled in from his majority opinion text.

 

[Phoenix]

Thanks. I wasn't quoting the 9th, just simply point out that they made clear that USAPA the CBA had discriminated against the west by not advocating for the NIC, which if USAPA was still. CBA would be a violation of their DFR. So if USAPA not advocating for the NIC was a DFR when fully ripe, then the company would have been liable for collusion if they had also set aside the results of the binding arbitration award as controlled by the TA.

 
 
You said "if" three (3) times.  In other words you identified at least three (3) contingencies to your own premise.   You are willfully distracted by contingencies.   It must be the cloudy, stagnant tank water.   

 

[luvthe9]

The net goal of the west's nic crusade was to place your brand hew hires ahead of people that'd actually worked even 16-17 full years already, and to see the bulk of you usurp at least a whole decade of your "fellow" pilots' worked lives.

We will never let that happen.

 

[EastUS1]

Discrimination was Bybee's choice of words. I just pulled in from his majority opinion text.

 
Understood. It was just too easy to borrow the term for the purpose of colorizing the arguments here. 😉

 

[Claxon]

Too bad about those america west pilot victims.
 
They were not paid much from 1983 to 1995.  But MIT has a study after 1995 to 2005 when they increased their wages.  (sarcasm)
 
 
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm
 

 

[cactusboy53]

We will never let that happen.
 

That's funny.  Like you think you have some sort of control.

 

[cactusboy53]

Too bad about those America West pilot victims......

 
Sorry to disappoint you Clax.  Not victims.  Fighters to the very end against "the tyrany of the majority".  This is finished.  You will get exactly what you deserve.  If not now, then soon.
 
Here's a funny commuting story.  I commuted to work via my usual way 8/11/2015 (SGF-DEN-PHX), and hopped on a SWAL for flight #2.  Just as we proceeded to board, the gate agent came down and informed us that there was a ground stop for PHX due to the “Monsoon Season” weather.
 
It turns out that the SWAL Captain was a former AWA pilot, hired one class in front of me (summer of 2000).  The FO was a former Marine F18 driver & (thank you for your service to our country, Sir) relatively new hire (early 2014), as was the other jumpseater (a relatively new hire).  The other jumpseater was formerly Eastern, then Aloha (25 Years), and now with SWAL for a little over a year.
 
As we had time to kill, the SWAL Captain asked after his former classmates at AWA.  I showed him the time-adjusted Nicolau List, and told him how those guys were doing.  He and the other two pilots asked about the seniority battle with the former US Air pilots was going.  Since we had the ground stop, I gave them the thumbnail sketch of where we were at with the 9th, Judge Silver & Judge Conrad.  I commented that it seemed to be going toward the point of conclusion, but as expected USAPA walked away from the SLI process claiming 9th’s ruling forced them to quit (quitting to delay...what a surprise!).
 
All three shook their heads.  We talked further about the reversal of Judge Silver’s ruling, and I offered to show them “Capt. James Anderson’s” little manifesto that was entered into the record.  All three read the 3.5 page mandate, instructing the Federal District Court Judge on how she should rule.  They shook their heads, and laughed several times.  The mention that they “were and still are the Sully’s of aviation” was particularly funny to one reader.  It turns out that his son & daughter-in-law were on that flight.
 
Cheer up boys.  This little party will soon be over, and I am sure that you will get exactly what you deserve.  USAPA - EPIC FAIL.

 

[EastUS1]

 
 He and the other two pilots asked about the seniority battle with the former US Air pilots was going. ....
 
All three shook their heads. 
 
We talked further about the reversal of Judge Silver’s ruling, and I offered to show them “Capt. James Anderson’s” little manifesto that was entered into the record.  All three read the 3.5 page mandate, ........
 
They shook their heads, and laughed several times. 
 
The mention that they “were and still are the Sully’s of aviation” was particularly funny to one reader.  It turns out that his son & daughter-in-law were on that flight.
 
 

 
This is simply too good to pass up. 😉
 
We must first suppose that any and all pilots everywhere are just dying to hear petty details of whatever's going on with a seniority issue far removed from their own airlines and personal lives..? Umm...OK then.
 
 "All three shook their heads." Was that done as a collective chorus, or did they take turns so you could better confirm their body language?
 
"We talked further about the reversal of Judge Silver’s ruling, and I offered to show them “Capt. James Anderson’s” little manifesto".... "All three read the 3.5 page mandate,.." Seriously?  They again ".. shook their heads, and laughed several times." Umm...OK, once again. I mean, after all; who wouldn't be raptly fascinated just by "Judge Silver’s ruling" alone during a ground stop? Sigh...It must have seemed very lucky indeed for them to have encountered you during an otherwise potentially relaxing period.  😉
 
"The mention that they “were and still are the Sully’s of aviation” was particularly funny to one reader.  It turns out that his son & daughter-in-law were on that flight." Um hmm. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm unable to imagine that had I loved ones on FLT1549 that I would find anything the least bit "funny" about it at all, but rather be extremely grateful to God that they had lived, but that's just my thinking.
 
Your whole "imaginary friends" nonsense has gotten downright pathetic.

 

[Phoenix]

This is simply too good to pass up. 😉
 
We must first suppose that any and all pilots everywhere are just dying to hear petty details of whatever's going on with a seniority issue far removed from their own airlines and personal lives..? Umm...OK then.
 
 "All three shook their heads." Was that done as a collective chorus, or did they take turns so you could better confirm their body language?
 
"We talked further about the reversal of Judge Silvers ruling, and I offered to show them Capt. James Andersons little manifesto".... "All three read the 3.5 page mandate,.." Seriously?  They again ".. shook their heads, and laughed several times." Umm...OK, once again. I mean, after all; who wouldn't be raptly fascinated just by "Judge Silvers ruling" alone during a ground stop? Sigh...It must have seemed very lucky indeed for them to have encountered you during an otherwise potentially relaxing period.  😉
 
"The mention that they were and still are the Sullys of aviation was particularly funny to one reader.  It turns out that his son & daughter-in-law were on that flight." Um hmm. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm unable to imagine that had I loved ones on FLT1549 that I would find anything the least bit "funny" about it at all, but rather be extremely grateful to God that they had lived, but that's just my thinking.
 
Your whole "imaginary friends" nonsense has gotten downright pathetic.

...and then his alarm went off, he woke up with a start, and realized he was just on the road in another lousy Crowne Plaza... He had been dreaming to compensate.

 

[Freighterguynow]

[quote name="nic4us" post="1185094" timestamp="1439403941
The biggest point, and the one you are TOTALLY MISSING...is WE ALL could have made more during that decade if the east was not so effin stupid.  
 
Bottom line, you guys screwed the pooch.  At the New American, we will have a new combined list, it will likely incorporate the Nic, and the east's idiotic behavior will all have been for naught.[/quote]

The point the West totally misses is that you bring nothing to the table. Narrowbody based in PHX ? Pass - you brought it you keep it.

You utterly failed to grasp this last time and this one's no different. The American and Us Airways pilots want nothing to do with you.

As for all the Nic grandstanding, I find it quite curious Silver was given a mandate by her bosses almost 2 months ago yet has produced nothing.

 

[Freighterguynow]

 
Here's a funny commuting story. 
All three shook their heads. .  USAPA - EPIC FAIL.

What's funny is that every time you post, why more and people somehow agree with you !

You'll need a flight deck with 4 jumpseats for the next one.